I think I had a dream about Lee Cutler.
Well, it was probably more an ambient feed, since I sleep with the t.v. on a lot and they've been rerunning the Lee Cutler episode of Disappeared a lot on there.
I was looking at a couple different sites last night to try to find any updates on the case. Another episode of Disappeared ends joyfully with discovery of the missing woman and her reconciliation with her family--she was found by a helpful stranger. She was found on a website bearing her name followed by "dot com." I kid you not. Her parents were of another generation and didn't realize they could have avoided all those drives to other states, all those expensive private investigators, and many of those sleepless nights---if they had simply consulted the great Oz, Google!
But with Lee Cutler, it's just so sad.
I found a site where most of the postings were from 2007, when his disappearance (October 20th) was still fresh, and the school year was still underway, and many of the postings were (allegedly and credibly) by friends, neighbors, girlfriends or girls that had crushes on Lee.
It was horrible to see the effect this had on his Mother, in particular, and the clips in which she pleaded for him to return were pretty unbearable.
Most moving was one article where she talked about ID filming this episode of Disappeared, and how the show had found a look-alike to portray Lee in re-enactments, and how she would watch this young actor lying on the lawn reading a book, and feel such yearning because it really appeared her son had returned and was just doing what came natural to him.
It was terrible to see how many people missed the kid and how it had impacted so many people in ways he probably never anticipated (he was a very kind, warm kid that would hate that).
The episode of Disappeared really tries to make the point that Lee faked his death and is out there somewhere living a new life incognito (he'd be twenty or twenty-one now).
I hate to say it, but I think the kid is in the river.
Here are the reasons why I believe Lee Cutler is dead.
1. The police insisted they "would have found him" had he been in the Baraboo River, even though they searched a small section of the river and surrounding area for a very brief time and online it says this river occupies the equivalent of 614,000 acres and is known for its rapids.
2. The show tried to softpeddle the fact that Lee's pants and belt were found in the river by saying these articles of clothing were found "on a log beside the river," implying this was an attempt to fool searchers. All newspaper reports I found online said these articles of clothing were found in the river on a branch that had emerged when water levels dropped. I believe the belt had been removed from the pants. For those suspecting foul play (sexual predator or something along those lines) it should be pointed out that Cutler wore pants two sizes over his actual size so these would have slipped off easily in the water. They said on the show he would always just step out of his pants, belt in place. And if the belt was removed, perhaps Cutler stripped naked before entering the water or wandering off elsewhere. This was late October in Wisconsin, so water temperatures would have been pretty unforgiving to a human body.
3. The huge bottle of Advil PM was empty, with the exception of one pill that lay nearby. One doctor said 10 to 15 pills would be a fatal dose, although that sounds low to me. But if the entire bottle had been consumed, we would be talking many times that dosage--and there was the Coricidin box as well (but I don't think the show stated whether any of them had been consumed, or if the box had even been opened). If so, these would have induced a hallucinogenic state.
4. The note found read completely like a suicide note. The note apologized for being a "coward," and clearly beseeched forgiveness from his mother and begged her to be happy. The show tried to reinterpret the crushing pathos of this note and put a positive spin on it, but it read exactly like a final goodbye. The first line of the note read, "My head is too big for my body."
5. Lee Cutler had made an abortive suicide attempt (at school) in the previous year, and had been hospitalized against his will as a result. This had resulted in tension, when his mother would not sign him out.
6. The night before he disappeared, he frantically texted a number of friends from a friend's house where he was sleeping over. These messages contained sentences like "I can't communicate" and "I am antisocial" and other messages which pointed to exaggerated and cruel, scathing self-judgment.
7. He left his beloved yarmulke on the ground beside the Baraboo river. He was a devout Jew (he had even founded a youth group that was still ongoing) and scholar of his religion and would not have left this.
8. His favorite books were left in the trunk of his abandoned car.
9. The last images of Cutler are of him purchasing the medications in a Madison, Wisconsin WAL-MART. He is alone and he leaves there and drives to Kettle Moraine State Park, visits this and then leaves to ultimately end at the roadside pull-off by the Baraboo River. Most likely he was scouting a place to end his life and found this park unsatisfactory for some reason (perhaps there were too many people around, or perhaps people are rounded up and chased out after sundown?)
10. Lee Cutler (by all accounts) was loved by a great many friends, and was always the one to try to cheer people up and amuse them. The idea that he would simply leave and allow all these people to suffer is extremely unlikely. The only possibility for this, I believe, would be if he were to enter a fugue state or suffer amnesia, which again would be an extremely unlikely occurrence, as he seems to have been very directed and aware of what he was doing during the last days of which we have any reconnaisance.
I find the theory that he went to Israel and joined the army (the IDF) extremely unlikely as well (this is the last theory upon which the show speculates).
I hope I am wrong. I really do.
But the theories of flight as opposed to suicide seem much less tenable and not consistent with this kind young man's character.
I noted his Mom even used the past tense in describing him in one part of the interview. It was rather telling. I got the impression that she knows in one part of her brain, but the rest of her brain is telling her it's not ready to "go there" yet.
Would I bet my life that he's in the Baraboo River?
No. Life is often stranger than fiction.
Maybe he's living a Martin Guerre existence somewhere, making somebody missing something very happy.
And I want to believe he's alive.
But the show overplays the arguments in favor of this, when the grim facts all seem to point unilaterally towards a young man's feverish drive away from and out of the very fact of his existence.
And the biting irony of a show like this is: everyone who watches this can see how much this person meant to so many people....only he could not...the horrible blinkers depression puts on you for the final horse race...
The Mania Of The Moment
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I just finished watching this episode of Disappeared, and was wondering if anything more had been found about Lee, which is how I got here.
ReplyDeleteI don't necessarily agree or disagree with your sentiment here about Lee, but my comment is actually about the other episode of Disappeared, where the woman was found.
I think you completely misunderstood what occurred there, so I just wanted to clear it up. It had nothing to do with her parents being of another generation and simply not searching on the internet. The website where she was "found" on wasn't something SHE set up about herself, it was a website dedicated to her disappearance, likely set up by her parents. It was a new friend of hers who happened to google her name, and found the website saying she had disappeared. Then she contacted the police to say she was certain it was the same woman she was currently friends with. It was not a case of her parents wasting money, and not checking on the internet... I'm sure that if the parents did not do an internet search, the police probably did.
Okay.
ReplyDeleteNow that you say that, it sounds right to my memory.
I predict her mother will alienate her again.
While I think she had a certain justification for leaving, one would think she would have at least called once to let them know she was alive, and just did not want further contact.
I think that episode was sort of fascinating though, to show how sometimes people must be completely reborn in new circumstances to have any chance of surviving.
Because if she had stayed, she would probably have died.
So it's possible Lee Cutler felt that way, and I hope it's true.
It was weird to see Baraboo featured in another story on that network, the one episode of ESCAPED! There's one set in Baraboo where this seventeen year old guy was kidnapping younger kids and then systematically torturing them by breaking their bones...over and over.
It's one of the few shows where I found myself getting actually queasy and unable to watch--I had to change the channel.
The details were just too graphic and the thoughts of what that kid went through (and the others who didn't survive) just made me crazy.
Anyway, that was Baraboo too, and he did dispose of one of his victims in the river, I think, but I don't think it was the same river (could there be two rivers running through Baraboo?) Maybe it was the same river.
I am completely pro death penalty.
Stories like that just confirm my belief in it.
Thanks for stopping in and thanks for the clarification.
Feel free to stop in anytime.
I probably should create an ID commentary blog since I live on the damn channel.
lol.
Dear Mr. Keckler: I completely agree with you about what the outcome of Lee Cutler. (: phoebe49
ReplyDeleteLee Cutler had clothing in his car according to the show. How much clothing did he have in the car when he set out? It looks to me like a faked death. If so he probably didn't consume the whole bottle of Advil but threw them in the river with the clothe last seen in. Plus the amount of Advil (Ibuprofen) most likely would have had little to no affect. Worst case scenario he may have vomited them back out. I had severe toothaches causing pain beyond description in the middle of the night, and have taken sometimes double the amount that the pill bottle depicted on the show would have held. I have suffered no apparent damage. No stomach bleeding, and I've received a clean bill of health during all of my past yearly physicals. Advil warns against overdose to protect themselves legally. Ibuprofen is one of the safest (and effective) pain relievers on the over-the-counter market. He did NOT overdose in my opinion. I highly doubt he drowned either.
DeleteMy worries are that he likes talking to truck drivers. Although the majority of truck drivers are honest, underpaid, under appreciated, extremely hard working men and woman. there have been instances where it was found that the identity of serial killers were truckers. I don't know the statistics. We can't know the statistics, (until every killer in America has been caught), but the rate of murderous truck drivers is probably no more than the rate among any other occupation. The trouble with trucks drivers is: The evil ones are very difficult to catch because their job is transient and anonymous in mature.
I've seen the movie "into the wild". The book that was in Lees trunk. Very sad. I think that is the journey that Lee is on.
I can think back to when I was his age, and can understand the romanticism of disappearing and going your own route. It's terrible that he lets his mother hurt like he's doing. Lee if you'r read this: Call your mother. Until you've been a parent yourself you can't understand the pain your causing your parents. It is not fair. Your taking years off of their lives.
Hope I'm wrong, Phoebe.
ReplyDeleteBut just can't see him doing that to his Mom.
I have been of the same opinion about Lee Cutler since I heard of the case. I do think that the case is being kept alive, no pun intended, by his family and friends who are desperately grasping at straws that maybe, somehow, some way, he is out there alive. I can't say I wouldn't do the same in their circumstances. As an outsider, however, I think it is very evident that this was a suicide, plain and simple. It is a very sad case, and I can definitely feel the pain for his mother, as the mother of 4 children. I hope that one day she is able to move on with life, and not let this stagnate her existance...Lee would not have wanted that. I think he left the letters for just that reason--to say "I am gone..move on, be happy and live life"...I don't think he would torture his family with an unexplained disappearance. He tried to give them closure, if only they would reach out and accept it.
ReplyDeleteHi Candigirl. Yeah, the ONLY (and extremely unlikely) alternative scenario would be if he developed amnesia at that Baraboo River encampment and then wandered off. But this is extremely unlikely given the brutal facts.
ReplyDeleteHis story really draws people in, probably because he was a gentle, sweet kid who was kind to so many people. And because people hate the ending that life seemingly wrote for him.
Disappeared is one of my favorite shows on the network (The Will is also very interesting!) and I have to confess the one that REALLY mystifies me right now is the disappearance of the McStay (spelling?) family, seemingly down in Mexico.
That one's really weird because the idea that they were hijacked is implausible since there were searches on their home computer for whether or not children needed passports to enter Mexico (you can enter without, just can't get back into the U.S. without them). So the family of four (two young children) seemingly voluntarily left their life (including over 100K in a bank account!) and vehicle behind and walked across the border to disappear into Mexico.
They said the Witness Protection Program isn't the answer and if they're right what could have possibly been the lure?
They said the wife feared Mexico and did not want to travel there, but it's generally believed the footage discovered actually shows the family crossing the border into Mexico (at night). No ransom demands have been made.
Even if someone offered the father (who was a pretty savvy business man) a deal in something shady, would he have put his whole family at risk by doing something like this? Wouldn't he know his vehicle would be towed in a short time, arousing suspicion.
And if it were a set up, one would think an attempt at least would be made to drain the family's finances and holdings in the U.S. (which never happened).
It's a complete mystery to me.
I can't think of a single plausible explanation of what happened to them!
"6. The night before he disappeared, he frantically IMed a number of friends from a computer at a friend's house where he was sleeping over. These messages were not answered in a satisfactory manner, and they contained sentences like "I can't communicate" and "I am antisocial" and other messages which pointed to exaggerated and cruel, scathing self-judgment."
ReplyDeleteJust know when you write things like this, the people who he "imed" (which was through texting by the way) get very hurt and the guilt they felt comes up again. To say their answers, or better yet MY answers, to Lee were unsatisfactory is similar to saying I was not a satisfactory friend to him at that moment. Quite on the contrary, I think the words I wrote him that night were the most heartfelt and honest words I had ever said to him. Claiming they are unsatisfactory as you have done (and also what the show did) is heartbreaking for me to hear, considering I am the one who wrote those words to him.
I'm sure you are not intending to personally attack my friendship with Lee, but just know that every week when I google the name Lee Cutler and see posts like this, it brings back the guilt I felt the nights after Lee's disappearance, something I have tried to move away from, but still keeps coming back.
On a lighter note, it is posts like these that keep Lee Cutler alive in peoples memories, so I thank you for devoting the time to promote the search for my friend.
I honestly no longer can guess at Lee's fate; I would like to believe he is alive and out there somewhere. From knowing him many years, this would be my guess, but then again I would never have imagined him running away so what did I really know about him anyway.
"These messages were not answered in a satisfactory manner..."
Delete"I think the words I wrote him that night were the most heartfelt and honest words I had ever said to him."
The show really doesn't prove what you're claiming, it just makes it look like everyone he sent texts to had "better things" to do, and that's why I am skeptical about anything I watch. When I seen his texts appearing to desire some sort of attention, I just shook my head and it reminded me of annoying Facebook status updates some people do. I don't think any person could have SAID anything to get him out of his funk, I think maybe he was lonely and wanted a specific type of attention from females. Sadly, he now appears to have all that now that he's "gone".
I'd like to add my .02 worth on the Lee Cutler case. Would like to first correct you on the fact that the wayside where his car was found. it is NOT isolated. It is on Hwy 33 by the "Narrows" where the road runs between huge high bluffs, not likely to be traveled on by foot (going into the wild). My feelings are that he met took up with someone at the wayside and then fell victim to foul play. I feel he is deceased but his body is not in the Baraboo or Wisconsin river.
DeleteHi. If you really are an acquaintance of Lee's, I apologize for hurting you (unintentionally). The judgment call I seem to have made here about texts (sorry, not Ims) "not being answered in a satisfactory manner" was based on the outcome.
ReplyDeleteBut look. Nobody is responsible. A "magic" correct response that night would have probably not changed anything.
As I said, the problem was the "self-judgment." Not anything others did to him. I can see he had a good network of supportive friends.
I tried to kill myself about the age when he did. But I don't think I was as intent as he apparently was. I overdosed as he did but just got lucky. But that idea had to have been growing in his head for a looong time. Only one ninth of the iceberg probably ever showed its head. To any of you. Because I think he knew exactly he was going to do. And he showed a lot of resolve. There was no sign he vacillated at all.
And that suicide note was exactly what a previous commenter above said: an attempt to give peace to others and let them know he blamed no one and wanted them to be free of worry for him.
He was clearly not a selfish person. And disappearing (barring amnesia alone) would be extremely cruel and selfish.
That's why I believe he's gone.
I can tell you would have done a LOT if you knew the truth. I'm sure a lot of people would have done a lot. But he kept it inside. And that is why it's so frustrating. To see someone so intelligent and with so much potential get totally blinkered by depression and other horrible emotional states that one believes (while one is in them) can't be escaped.
But of course they can.
But you have to let it out and ask for help.
Maybe his first experience with the first institutionalization made his distrust psychiatry or medicine as possible salvation.
Having been a client and a victim (both) of that system, I can understand that mistrust of his as well.
*made him mistrust
ReplyDeleteAnd you should have ZERO guilt.
ReplyDeleteYou should remember the good and great parts of your friendship.
Apology accepted, and I truly am the person who he contacted that night. It's just hard to move away from feeling some sort of guilt for the situation when there are no answers. And every time it is brought up, I can't help but get upset once again and go back into that guilt-ridden state I felt the days after. It's something that just never will go away.
ReplyDeleteIt is interesting to read your perspective on this case, being a person who went through a similar experience. I commend you for getting out of it alive and turning your life around. I only hope I can say the same for Lee.
Thanks. But listen to what you said earlier. You had no idea he was even gonna take off like that. How much less could you probably have EVER suspected he might commit suicide (if he has).
ReplyDeleteSo you did not know.
And he chose not to let others know.
For whatever reason.
You could tell when they showed his mother in that one newsclip making the appeal that it had hit even her out of the blue.
And I can't really accept "commendation" since I just got lucky I guess.
It's like that Szymborska poem...that really says it all...
Let me see if I can find it...
it's about the mystery at the heart of survival itself...
I found it...I think this poem says what I am trying to say...
ReplyDeletesometimes it takes a Nobel Laureate...
ANY CASE
It could have happened.
It had to happen.
It happened earlier. Later.
Closer. Farther away.
It happened, but not to you.
You survived because you were first.
You survived because you were last.
Because alone. Because the others.
Because on the left. Because on the right.
Because it was raining. Because it was sunny.
Because a shadow fell.
Luckily there was a forest.
Luckily there were no trees.
Luckily a rail, a hook, a beam, a brake,
A frame, a turn, an inch, a second.
Luckily a straw was floating on the water.
Thanks to, thus, in spite of, and yet.
What would have happened if a hand, a leg,
One step, a hair away?
So you are here? Straight from that moment still suspended?
The net's mesh was tight, but you? through the mesh?
I can't stop wondering at it, can't be silent enough.
Listen,
How quickly your heart is beating in me.
- Translated from the Polish by Grazyna Drabik and Sharon Olds.
i think lee is still alive, living in the woods somewhere. i think he may of had a mental brakdown. just like the books he loved. into the wild.........when you see a homeless person take a good look, you never know what you may find.
ReplyDeleteI don't believe for a second he's dead. I went to school with him. It really hurts me when someone just says he's dead and not look at hope. I've ALWAYS believed he's still alive, and I refuse to believe that he is dead. When someone tells me he's dead, it's an insult and it just brings back all those memories. I still have faith he is out there and we will find, and when we do, THE WORLD WILL KNOW!
ReplyDeleteWell, I hope they find him alive. I made that clear that I wished I didn't BELIEVE he was dead but I'm not going to lie. If he knowingly caused all the people who love him (like you) this hurt then he wouldn't be such a great guy after all. And I believe he was a great guy. So either he's dead or he does not know who he is anymore (amnesia). But the evidence at the campsite points (I'm sorry to say) very heavily in the other direction. I hope you're right and I'm wrong.
ReplyDeleteI'm his step sister, and I dont believe for one second he is dead. they would have found his body somewhere in the world. I wait for the day that someone hears something from him. for all those who believe he is dead, if you dont keep hope alive, then he might as well be dead. and I have hope, my friend, the one who went to school with him, has hope too, and everyone who knows and loves him. Lee was someone i looked up to for a long time, I'm glad to say that I know him personally.
ReplyDeleteHi Lauren, i just wondered if you could pass along to Lees mother that i completely understand that 'shell of a house' she speaks of, and my heart goes out to her in hopes she may find her beloved son.
Deletethank you.
As I said, I hope you are right.
ReplyDeleteI will say a prayer for Lee's well-being.
xo
I am praying that he is out there somewhere,experiencing life because I personally know how it feels to wait to know what became of a missing family member. Like Lee, my family member was by water,swept away in a flood,but unlike Lee he was found, I pray your ending is better than ours.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I think that's what everybody is hoping for.
ReplyDeleteMay you have peace!
Hope is the belief in a positive outcome related to events and circumstances in one's life. Hope is distinct from positive thinking, which refers to a therapeutic or systematic process used in psychology for reversing pessimism.
ReplyDeleteThe term false hope refers to a hope based entirely around a fantasy or an extremely unlikely outcome.
Pay attention to the words false hope. There is a huge difference in hope and false hope. In Lee Cutler's case, hope only helps the mind easy of the possibility he is "alive!" False hope is that he did commit suicide and that the body was never found. That is the easy way off thinking. False thinking.
What do you know William Keckler? You went to school for forensic science? You watch a t.v. program and you have all the answer? If you say you want to be wrong about him commiting suicide why did you post this ridiculous writing to begin with? You brought back bad memories for some and caused heartache for others.
You might have experienced thoughts of suicide yourself. I'm sorry you felt that way. No one should ever be a prisoner of the mind. Even John Mayer said his head was bigger than his body. Just an expression!
Have some hope William! The world needs more of!
C.L.
I don't believe what I posted was ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteI amassed a series of facts.
Facts that have absolutely nothing to do with hope.
I don't have "false hope" that he is dead, since I don't have any hopes for that fact to be true.
I do believe that all concrete facts based in the physical world point completely in that direction.
I obviously brought back no bad memories since all I did was state the facts and anybody searching for info on Cutler knows the dire facts already.
And I don't believe I caused heartache for others.
As I said, I hope this has a positive outcome.
But that show misstates some facts about his case in order to create a mystery where I believe there is none...other than where his body actually is.
He wrote a suicide note. The pills he bought were missing and that was a lethal dose. His clothes were found in the river and alongside it.
Either this guy is the most diabolical person out there, creating this scenario to TORTURE all his loved ones...and you should be hating on him in that case...or he is dead...and his suicide note (which showed tenderness towards his loved ones and asked forgiveness) was real and he was a good person who lost his way...which is easy enough to do in this world.
I don't appreciate your attack on me.
Feel free not to come back.
I just saw the show, & unfortunately, I completely agree with everything you posted here. I say "unfortunately," because whenever I watch these "Disappeared" shows on ID, I almost always conclude that the individual is probably alive. Your reasons for the theory that Lee committed suicide just make too much sense to dismiss. I also agree with you, he was an extremely sensitive young man who NEVER would have run away with no further contact with his mom & close friends. I don't think he would have been capable of inflicting that kind of emotional pain on others.
ReplyDeletep.s. Just ignore the posts that contradict you...your evidence is compelling & extremely well-researched, your post is clear & rational, & you don't have to "reduce" yourself to the level of justifying your thoughts & conclusion!
Thanks, Jill! I would point out that I would be very HAPPY to be wrong about this. The only scenario in which I could imagine that being the case is if Lee had developed amnesia right there on the spot. But that's an extremely unlikely coincidence. But strangers things HAVE happened. So who knows. That...or he really did have so much resentment (unsuspected by others) that he could stage his disappearance precisely to CAUSE suffering to those he felt were either responsible for his problems or something. But I don't buy that. I think he was the nice, loving kid he seemed. Even if this were the case, he could have disappeared in a less dramatic manner with no staged scene and get the same results.
ReplyDeleteThe thing that bothered me about the last commenter's words was his implication that I somehow hoped the kid WAS DEAD...just to be right or something. I felt attacked on that basis. The one thing I do regret about this post is "buying wholesale" whatever was said on that show, like the fact that his friends somehow "let him down" that night.
And when I heard from one of those friends (see comment chain) I felt terrible because I had just gullibly swallowed what the show said, even though I now know that the show contained quite a few bits of misleading (and sometimes wrong) information. So my apology to that person was sincere and they have ZERO reason to feel guilt. No one is a mindreader. If people are deep in depression or harboring thoughts of suicide, they will usually hide these thoughts, to maintain their freedom, if nothing else. They learn how to dissimulate and cover.
Sometimes, DISAPPEARED will arrange facts to create more of an air of mystery than a case might deserve. The writers know that a convoluted mystery has more staying power than a bald tragedy. Like you, I believe many of the people featured on other episodes are actually still alive. Remember the one wonderfully cheerful story where it ends with the woman actually being found alive, well and in recovery to boot? I sort of wish they'd throw us a few more bones like that occasionally. But then I suppose we'd be missing opportunities to get information out there on people still missing whose case might be well served by the massive viewership...where someone might know something helpful or be able to divulge the actual whereabouts of the person.
Thanks for your kind comment. And I repeat: I hope we're both wrong.
If I remember correctly, didn't the show also point out that his vehicle was found with the gas gauge close to or on empty, and that along the route to the wayside he had passed several gas stations? If this is true, it would buoy your theory about his intent. I have been following Lee's story since the beginning, because I live near Baraboo, and my heart breaks for his friends, family, and especially his mother.
ReplyDeleteHi. I'm not sure if that was the case. It seemed to be a mad dash that final day. Like when he stopped at the first park. And then he left there after a number of hours. One wonders about that. I'm wondering if he had planned on that being the location but maybe there were too many people around. Because the pull-off where the car found ultimately proved to be a more deserted location. Yes, say a prayer for those people. Maybe a miracle will occur. This might sound strange, but I hope in the future all human beings are chipped the way our pets are, so that we can always trace down our loved ones. It wouldn't be hard to painlessly accomplish this goal and create a "world grid" whereby even if someone were dead, we could at least locate their remains. With nanotechnology, things like this are very easy to do, provided there is the desire for such things. It would be of immeasurable help in things like "child abductions." Of course, the chip would have to be designed so that criminals could not remove it--or even locate it. With nanotechnolgy, the chip could be so small as to be unlocatable without advanced technology. I just think the future needs something like that. People who see the dark side of things might consider it Orwellian, but it needn't be that way.
ReplyDelete"...I hope in the future all human beings are chipped the way our pets are, so that we can always trace down our loved ones."
DeleteOoooh...I was a fan of yours, but this is disturbing.
I watched the episode of Lee Cutler for the first time last night and then did a search to see if there was any new evidence. I feel that he has passed on. My reasoning being, the fact that he was a devout Jew and scholar of his religion as William Keckler put it. One of the ten commandments which of course is in the Old Testament of the Bible as well as the Torah is to 'Honour Your Parents'. I feel that if Lee were still alive almost 4 years later, he would have contacted his beloved mother by now. He in all good conscience could not let everyone believe the lie that he is dead if indeed he were alive.
ReplyDeleteI, like most on here searched for Lee Cutler and it brought me to this page. I really would like to believe that he is alive and well, but i can't shake the feeling that if he were out there he would've contacted someone by now. I would be interested to hear your take on the "Maura Murray" case. They have been running her Disappeared episode lately.
ReplyDeleteHi. The Maura Murray case is really sad. I read her as another suicide. Probably one who hid her deep depression from her friends. The stop at the liquor store and loading up there could have been a sign that she was going on a binge retreat in a place she loved. Possibly she was just a closet alcoholic and only a retreat was planned. But the telling clue to me is when she wrecked the car and the bus driver offered her assistance, any person in a normal state would have JUMPED at the chance for help, salvation. She refused it. Out in the middle of a winter night, in the middle of nowhere. I think either she met with foul play (passerby who ended up being a murderer--which is unlikely though) or she holed up somewhere and drank herself into a stupor and possibly froze to death. That last call to her boyfriend...she would probably not have been at liberty to make that call if she had been abducted...the moaning sounds she made and inarticulate sounds...makes one think she was in severe dire straits at that point. Again, as with Lee Cutler, the only other realistic possibility besides death would be a case of amnesia. It does happen...but it's sooo rare. I think she is gone, I'm sad to say. A lovely young woman with so much promise. Her overrreaction to wrecking her dad's car was a sign of esteem issues and/or depression issues....self-blame....that hinted at more serious(probably untreated) psychological problems.
ReplyDelete"But the telling clue to me is when she wrecked the car and the bus driver offered her assistance, any person in a normal state would have JUMPED at the chance for help..."
DeleteShe was drinking, I think she high-tailed it out of there so she wasn't arrested for DUI.
I too feel that Lee Cutler most likely committed suicide. He probably did not intend for it to be a mystery. He had no way of knowing that his body wouldn't be found.
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteI too feel bad about it. And I think you're exactly right about the accident of the mystery.
to the first poster: 10-12 advil PM is no where near a fatal dose. Advil PM is a combination of ibuprofen and benadryl. A fatal dose of ibuprofen for a 225 pound person is around 500 tablets. It is also very hard to overdose on benadryl. With large quantities of it the body will actually produce a paradoxical reaction, which means it will actually make a person hyper.
ReplyDeleteGood point. I knew that figure sounded ridiculously low. But is it really 500 tablets? I don't really believe that either. But maybe you're a doctor or a poison control specialist or something. That the body could take that kind of dose seems unfathomable to me--500 pills. I know you can do massive damage to your liver even if you don't die with a much smaller dosage...I don't really want to think about it--it's painful--but maybe he just put himself in that freezing river...that is where his clothes were found...I've always assumed death by water actually...whether I stated it explicitly or not.
ReplyDeleteSome people dig themselves deeper and deeper into religion because they are trying to deny homosexual desires. Perhaps he tried to start this club to prove to himself that he wasn't having these feelings/desires and eventually he was overwhelmed by his many ties to a religion he was trying to force himself into. He dug himself too deep and between the religious obligations, girlfriend and familial expectations, he thought if he did "come out" he would be disowned and lose the only identity he had (the nice, do-the-right-thing, religious boy). Maybe he wasn't upset because he felt that no one cared for him, but he was upset because he felt that no one would care if they knew the "real" Lee. Maybe he didn't want a text back saying "I care about you" maybe he was waiting for someone (anyone) to ask the right question so he could finally tell the truth ("communicate"). Maybe he wanted to stop living a double life. So maybe he left or maybe he committed suicide. No one will ever know for sure except for Lee himself; it's amazing what even your closest friends can hide deep within their souls.
ReplyDeleteHi "Anonymous." Could be. But the homosexual thing is pure speculation that's not really backed up by anything that was revealed in the facts of Cutler's life. He seemed pretty independent and unafraid of what people thought about his beliefs, so I tend to think that's not the case. You have to be sort of brave (even today) to wear a yarmulke around everywhere, because there are always a FEW assholes who will give you grief for that--even today. Agreed about it being amazing what we so often don't know about even those closest to us. Humans are complicated creatures. Underneath even the most placid surface there's often a welter of conflicting (often suppressed) desires, fears...and other nameless things. Thanks for visiting my blog. Welcome anytime here. Cheers.
ReplyDeleteHi...like many others I have just watched the Disappeared show and was looking for new evidence...im not a psychic but he definitely walked into the river...he is gone - and im soo sorry for his family and friends...i am upset with the police department for doing doing such a horrible job...may he R.I.P...xoxo
ReplyDeleteSO... why no psychic on this case? I think he commited suicide. just a gut feeling. he must have been an amazing kid.
ReplyDeleteMy teacher disappeared on June 17th, 2011, this year. His story is very similar to Lee Cutler's story. He's a very religious man (Christian). He taught 11th grade english and creative writing. The books he taught were Into the Wild and Catcher in the Rye. His middle name is Lee. According to his family he would go to VA beach to think; he liked to go to parks and help out at homeless shelters. What happened was that his teaching contract wasn't renewed (probably fired) and he loved teaching and my high school so much. According to his father, if he was fired, he would have been so upset. The last time he was seen was in VA beach, miles away from his home in mclean, va. His disappeance is very uncharacteristic too: he's a very kind, warm and caring person and very close to his family. He's still missing (5 months in two days) and there hasn't been any new clues to where he is or what happened to him. I have hope but the waiting and mystery is so hard to deal with. I hope one day and very soon we find him.
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous, (Who lost the teacher and friend).
ReplyDeleteMaybe you should consider contacting the show. They might be interested in profiling him--and since this is a relatively "fresh" disappearance they might be able to do some good at finding him.
I was moved that the most recent episode (new season) profiled a case where a woman was suffering from amnesia and was safely recovered, returned to her family.
While amnesia (and the shorter term fugue states) are extremely rare, in some cases this does account for why people go missing.
They're not all either sucicides, murderered or those who disappeared by choice.
Sometimes people actually do cease to know who they are.
If you haven't seen that most recent episode, check it out.
It's sort of fascinating.
Not all of these people are suicides or people who have been murdered, or who have chosen to go into hiding and "disappear."*
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And regarding Maura Murray, it could be that she wrecked her father's
ReplyDeletes car by impulsively turning into a tree or guardrail, thinking suicide, and her excessive agitation about it was fueled by her ambivalence about death. Maybe she hoped someone would recognize her cry for help, but of course without more clues even a clairvoyant parent or friend would not suspect. No guilt whatsoever there for either parent, I hope. She may have been planning to die when she went off the road, that time, too, and lost her nerve, then yes, wandered off, drunk, and just laid down somewhere in the snow. Maybe she was waiting util it was too late before calling to say goodbye or even that she had changed her mind and needed help, but by waiting so long it was indeed too late. If so, she didn't suffer much if at all. Freezing is by all accounts only hard in the middle stages, when you're cold but not truly hypothermic...then the brain goes peaceful and the person is no longer cold. They get sleepy and feel wrm again, and go to sleep.
I completely agree with you on Lee Cutler, and like you, I hope that I'm wrong... but come on, the police admitted that was a hard river to search. The advil PM and Coricidin remind me of what a young kid, too young to afford alcohol and with no access to prescription drugs, would likely buy to kill himself with. And the cold river... He probably took the pills to get drowsy, then went into the cold river and floated along until he drowned. At the last moments, who knows, he could have changed his mind but the undercurrents, temp of the water, and pills he'd taken probably all worked against him. If he is out there somewhere, knowingly leaving his family to think awful things, well shame on him... But the cops were likely a foot away from his body, tangled in the logs or caught between rocks or something.
ReplyDeleteToo sad... I bet he wasn't even sure he'd go through with it; the attempts he took, honestly, were not very whole-hearted. The drugs didn't do him in, or the cops would have found his body on the bank of the river; it was probably the river itself, and drowning oneself isn't exactly guaranteed. It seems he wasn't sure he wanted to die... or at least that's how it seems to me. Anyways, as you said, sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. Maybe he really hit his head and is amnesiac somewhere. But unless that occurred, I mean... where would he have gone without his pants?...
I just sat down to watch the episode of Disappeared with Lee Cutler and while the show was still in it's first few minutes I had a spirit pop in my face, leaning over and looking in on me and just say "hi there" with such force of personality that I would guess that this person is probably disembodied, because I wouldn't get that effect from a live person. Also that by watching the show I was intruding on his personal life so he was in his greeting trying to approximate the intrusion. O.k. I am not that psychic all the time but from time to time... I've known things. . . I hate to be a killjoy but I liked Joe Brianard's theory because it made this mystery sit it my heart right somehow.
ReplyDeleteWhich brings us back to the over the counter drugs that Lee Cutler consumed not only in force in what may be his last hours, but continually over a period of time. Does anyone really know what this #@$+! can do to you! Lee Cutler had an idea at least, but still was blind as hell. Most of us trust the pharmaceuticals for too much.
I just watched this episode of Disappeared also, and this seems too planned. All of his belongings are almost purposely placed as to lead a person to believe he wanted to die and committed suicide. In real life it never seems to be so cut and dry, everything was placed as if staged to tell a story. If you watched the movie Into the Wild, it's possible to just leave your former life behind. I pray he's out there somewhere, but who knows his fate now. He has had to plan this for awhile, just hitchhiking, walking and meeting people along the way. It just seems someone would have noticed.
ReplyDelete"...everything was placed as if staged to tell a story."
DeleteYou're right, it was a re-enactment. 8p
"Anonymous," I hope you're right.
ReplyDeleteI really do.
It would be wonderful if he suddenly surprised us all with a shout out of "I'm alive!"
Adolescence can be such a horribly trying time.
Whatever the truth is, I think people should celebrate his life because he was a good person and a good friend to many.
It's another proof of how trying life can be, that even very good and kind people can lose their way.
Thanks for your words.
I just watched the episode and also feel the facts point to suicide. I believe he thought his body would be found and there would be closure for his family. He didn't intend to leave them without answers, he thought he had made everything clear. It would be great to think he is alive out there but don't think he would leave his family in limbo like that. As for the books found in his car, if he truly intended to live in the wilderness he would have taken them with him.
ReplyDelete(Last) Anonymous, I feel this is the most likely explanation but of course hope we're both wrong. The show downplayed the possibility that he was there and searchers did not find him. But if you read about the size of the Baraboo River and realize how far someone can wander off before collapsing, you begin to realize the time spent on that search was not nearly enough to justify saying (as the show does) "They are confident that if Lee's body were there, they WOULD HAVE FOUND IT." (paraphrasing)
ReplyDeleteAnd I've said that before too: completely inconsistent with his known character to let his family suffer so if he were alive.
The only way I could see that happening is amnesia.
But that would be an improbability considering the way his trajectory can be traced right to the spot of his disappearance...and the finding of his clothes in the river itself (a fact which the show itself misses...or misrepresents).
It's the same thing with the spin the show puts on the note. That sounds totally like a Goodbye to me. And they say "But no!" The note was a kind act, intending to absolve those he loved of any blame and to free their souls from undue worries.
Many suicides leave notes that pointedly blame others and seek to cause suffering to those left behind--whether this is rightful reproach or not.
But Lee Cutler's note is not like that at all, and sounds completely consistent with the good, big-hearted kid he was.
Depression is a killer.
We all live or die by chance, regardless of our best intentions.
I could easily imagine Lee being asked for help by someone on that day of his disappearance, and changing his mind about suicide.
That's the hardest thing for people to accept, I think.
To accept the nature of chance.
There are a thousand worse things Lee Cutler could have ended as than a suicide.
A good soul is always to be celebrated.
But, if he WAS going to commit suicide, why take $500 dollars with you, drive out to the middle of nowhere, buy $5-10 bucks worth of stuff at Walmart, take off your clothes to "drown" after setting up camp and leaving "evidence" of your overdose..
ReplyDeleteno. This kid read "Into the Wild" way to many times and it's not a coincidence it was found in the trunk of his car. This kid skipped out, tried to fake his death, so his parents could have some kind of closure, and God knows where he went.
...not to mention he's the only 18 year old kid alive that regularly hangs out with truckers. It makes sense that he'd want to scout out truckers and their routes and how they travel if he was planning on hitchhiking in the future.
ReplyDeleteHi.
ReplyDeleteYou're giving a concrete reason why you believe Lee is still alive, and that's very different from people who simply believe without giving any rationale or evidence of why they think this young man is still alive.
But.
Five hundred dollars is not a lot of money when you're traveling interstate.
And some people feel suicidal without having decided for certain. So if you're heading out with that intent (as a "maybe I will, maybe I won't") you're not going to deprive yourself of any resources you have.
Even if you know for sure, you're going to do it, you're not going to deprive yourself of a resource that's right there in front of your hands. Something that's yours.
It's not like you say, "I'm going to spend ten bucks at Walmart, and gas is going to cost this much (rate x distance & m.p.g. the vehicle gets, take out a calculator and figure it out) and then put the remainder of the money back.
Maybe you don't have firsthand experience with serious depression (I do) but you don't think rationally in that state.
It's not rational to want to kill yourself in the first place. To people who aren't suffering serious depression, that is. To people who are in the grip of a deep depression, who believe (wrongly!) that their life can't or won't change, get better, unfortunately suicide can look like a rational choice.
And that's what those who loved Lee (whether they knew him or not) probably have to come to terms with. It LOOKED like a rational decision to him. He figured he was sparing others pain and solving his problem the only way he could see how at the time (due to the blinkers that depression puts on you...it really is like tunnel vision).
He wasn't in his right mind when these things happened.
I think the worst depressions and--more importantly--the worst responses to depression--occur in the teenage years.
I believe I've read somewhere that there's neurochemistry to back it up.
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I can't reformulate it.
But the most important thing is..if you're suffering from depression and reading this, talk to someone you trust.
Or call a suicide prevention line.
Google will tell you a bazillion such numbers.
It gets better.
Depression can be cured or made to seem like almost nothing compared to what it feels like before you attempt to find solutions to it.
Something in my gut says he faked his own suicide. The fact that 500 dollars just disappeared in a jar is very odd. where did the money go? It just seems very odd that he left so many little clues but no body. Why go into a river? Take off your pants and belt? When you can just pass out under a tree until someone discovers you. He could have brought a change of clothes and then hitchhiked in the highway. I dont know why but i just dont believe he is dead. Perhaps disappearing was a kind of suicide, obliteration from his family and friends. Very sad to be that self involved. I hope they one day find him.
ReplyDeleteJust let Him go...
ReplyDeleteWow, lots of comments here. The only problem with the idea that he committed suicide in the river is that bodies of drowning victims always come to the surface eventually. Here in California we just had the last victim of an accident in Yosemite surface - almost 6 months later. The body decomposes and gas will bring it to the surface eventually. Even heavily weighted bodies surface eventually - just ask Scott Peterson about that.
ReplyDeleteIn addition, the footage of the river reveals a lot of places a body would have likely be hung up on in that area. It probably would have been found within a few miles of the entry point.
Actually, Vincent, that isn't true by what I've read. Even another episode of Disappeared mentions that it is not true. The episode which deals with the disappearance of our PA d.a., Ray (forget his surname) mentions the possibility of his drowning in the Susquehanna River, and says exactly the opposite. "Sometimes bodies don't resurface."
ReplyDeleteThe missing DA is Ray Gricar. I graduated from high school in the town where his car was found. I've shopped in that antique mall many times. They think he may have floated downstream to the Fabridam. If he got sucked under that, he'd never be found (he'd be "chewed up" - ick). We also experience a lot of flooding (some minor, some major - just 3 months ago) in the Susquehanna River Valley, and that can carry people away too. They've now linked Gricar to the Penn State Child Molestation deal (in his legal capacity - not that he did anything bad), and they're looking at his case yet again.
ReplyDeleteI always wondered what happened to Lee Cutler (hence finding this blog). For me, it could go either way with him. Same with Ray Gricar.
Hi Funky, Thanks for remembering what I forgot. I live downriver from where you grew up, near the capital. I remember the flooding (was crazy down this way too--well all over the state). I had seen that about the Sandusky connection. I could go either way with Gricar but can't really on Cutler (wish I could say I could). But it is possible. I mean with Gricar it's like 50-50. But I feel with Cutler it's more like 99-1.
ReplyDeleteFacts militating in favor of Gricar's suicide include his brother's suicide and his known depression. Facts militating against the suicide theory would be the body not found and the strange obsession with erasing that hard drive (why really care if you're going to die and not just disappear). I don't put any stock in the fact that he was talking to that woman in the antiques mall. That could have been an employee escorting him from room to room or someone with whom he struck up a casual conversation. Terrible to see the pain this left his daughter and fiancee (or girlfriend, not sure of status). Doesn't seem to be governmental shade since he wouldn't be looking up that information about the hard drive and doing such a feckless job of disposing of the thing. I have no clue about him. The really strange thing was his mapquesting or whatever a route he always drove for mileage and such. I keep thinking that has to mean something and might be the key to unlocking the whole case. But I don't know why. One of those intuition things. Thanks for visiting and commenting. Feel free anytime. Ciao.
We just saw this episode of Lee Cutler here in South Africa. Any news?
ReplyDeleteWow! I'm amazed that story reached you in South Africa!
ReplyDeleteNo news that I know of.
Thanks for your comment and visiting.
It's on NexFlix, just watching it now, googled to see if there were any updates. My gut feeling is he died somewhere in the woods, sort of a suicide. Police can't just say they would have found him. The only thing that's weird is if you are going to kill yourself, don't you want to be found at some point? or do you want your last days on earth to be left to speculation? and he didn't have enough money to go to some "other part of the world" the police should go back and look in that river.
ReplyDeleteI didn't know you could get those episodes on Netflix. Unless you're referring to a different documentary about L.C. that I don't know about? I tend to (against my hopes) agree with your closing speculation. Thanks for your comment.
ReplyDeleteJust watched this on Netflix as well.
ReplyDeleteVery, very sad indeed. Googled for an update on Cutler and doesn't look like there is one :(
I feel horrible for the mother :/
Plastic Gerbil, feel better.
ReplyDeleteYou seem to have a malady.
Nanochips are the way to go.
Big Brother could give a shit who you're fucking.
But it will come in great use now that we live in a serial killer culture.
"But it will come in great use now that we live in a serial killer culture."
DeleteNoted. I don't even like being equipped with OnStar™; It feels strange thinking some bored worker there could easily press a single button and explode my car.
Oh, and thanks for your comments...whoever you are.
ReplyDeleteI was a fan of yours too, until I saw you had covered your gerbil in plastic.
Slipcovered too?
It's just if you follow as many stories about lost, trafficked and murdered children as I do (being a crime story junkie) you realize that the means are now at our disposable via nanotechnology to give people inestimable relief. Whether that's recovering a live child (best scenario) or a body. You'd not believe how much it means to the psychological well-being of parents who have lost a child even to recover the body. If you asked them about whether they would be willing to have an indetectable, unsensable means of finding their child introduced into their child's body, I'd think you'd find the percentage of positive responses surprising. As I said, if civil libertarians are so worried about Big Brother opt to have it removed when you become an adult. But children are so vulnerable. Personally, I'd keep mine in. Bad science fiction (and good novels like Orwell's) have implanted too much misoneism (as that the right word--fear of the new?) in the mass mind. It's like the way you're constantly under video surveillance almost wherever you are in London. So what. If you're not doing something evil who really cares? This is going to be a much less private world now anyway, now that there's 7 billion people and how long until that doubles? Privacy is for your own home and when you're peeing basically. I'm impressed you made sure to get the TM after the Onstar lol. I love Varla Jean's take on Onstar in her YouTube video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mpKXZABotk
ReplyDeleteIf you're doing any of these things, OnStar can help you avoid getting busted.
So it's a WIN-WIN.
I just watched the episode and like many, many people here I found your blog looking to see if he had appeared or if there were any news... I won't say I agree he's dead or alive because to me this is just too disturbing and I cannot make my mind, after reading some posts I think he might be alive and after reading some more I think he might be dead but then again I think he's alive and then again I think he might be dead. It's obvious none of us can tell what the hell was going through his mind in the day when he disappeared, but to me it's very odd that he knew the end of the books he loved so much like "Into the Wild" we all know he dies at the end. And again, why there's no body, I mean if he really had that many pills isn't it possible he went down before going into the river?
ReplyDeletethere's so many what if's? in my mind... What if he dropped the pills in the river? what if it it was just a way of deciding to go away? I mean we only know there's $500 missing but what if he had been saving up? where's the money? it's all so weird... and last but not least... No matter what the mind has a way of coping that I'm sure all his family and friends will think he's alive until they find a body it's the last hope and the mind won't accept it until they have proof...
It's all really sad and I seriously hope he just wanted to go away and that he will appear alive someday or at least that his body or bones at this point, will appear and his family and friends can have some type of closure. :(
Thanks for your comments. Most therapists and grief counselors seem to agree that "closure" is very important. I put the word in quotes because I've heard people who lost people to tragedies like this say (and I know it's true in my heart) that there really is no closure. You manage to pull yourself together better with time. But the idea that it completely closes over as a physical wound may do with healing time...you just know that for anybody who ever loses a child like that, there's no complete "closure." Because that would imply you let go of the child. And you don't. You try to let go of some of the grief. Or the heaviness of it.
ReplyDeleteExactly, but at least if he is dead and they have the remains it is a closure that at least he's dead or he's alive, because that questioning it huts the soul. The saddening part of this is that, well Dish just gave us a month of free I.D. (Investigation Discovery) and it's so sad to realize how many people has gone missing and how many people are suffering every day because of this.
ReplyDeleteI'm o.k. if a lot of people just want to go off and move and whatever the least you can do is send an e-mail, give a call, send a letter, give some proof that you are happy, alive and well. If you don't want to deal with your family is ok. but at least let them know... it's so heartbreaking to not know. I don't say this by experience but by watching all these episode of Disappeared and how much the families suffer it's really, really sad.
PS. what I meant that he knew the ending of the book is that if he knew you can't do this that way just go unprepared why would he do something like that? again there's just sooo many questions.
I just watched the episode and I'm sorry but I agree that he is more than likely dead..so sad though :(
ReplyDeleteThanks for your comments, folks.
ReplyDeleteI agree that many episodes of Disappeared leave one feeling very sad.
There are a few with happy endings and some of them have serious lessons hidden in them--like the one where the guy could NOT get the police to list his wife as a MISSING PERSON despite doing ALL the legwork himself to prove there was every reason to presume she was "missing and endangered" and not "missing willfully."
And then he went around the police to the media and this forced the police's hand.
And he continued looking himself.
And his wife was found in her wrecked vehicle that had gone over the side of a highway.
And they found her just in the nick of time.
Of course, if they focus on too many of these "happy ending" missing persons case they would not be doing the greater service of potentially getting help to find those still missing.
So I understand why they're mostly sad stories.
But yeah. Shows like this remind one of how important it is to be ever vigilant in this world of predators and monsters.
I think every woman (and maybe every man) should carry things like pepper spray, loud alarms on keychains, etc.
Abduction defense training should really be a part of primary and second education, IMHO.
Because it happens too often now for people not to be prepared to potentially have to defend their lives in these circumstances.
This story is so sad to me. I don't know why it sticks out to me out of every episode, but it just upsets me that he was seen at a gas station & a walmart looking as if nothing happened while his family & friends were worried sick. Though we don't know what's happened to him, I will say he did a selfish thing. He seemed like he had everything a teenage would want, a job, a car, a loving family, lots of friends, even a relationship. I just can't seem to figure this out.
ReplyDeleteThis story just saddened me among the others I have watched. The theory of him joining the Israel Army is unlikely since a passport and plane ticket would have been expensive and with only 500.00 dollars I doubt he was able to reach that destination. I too believe he is in the river. Its unfortunate that his texting of reaching out was ignored. The theory of taking off and hitch hiking is hard to believe especially if he left his beloved yarmulke behind. I believe he overdosed and went into the river leaving signs that this is where his final destination was and his reasons of why. I truly hope his mother is able to find closure whether he is alive or dead she needs closure.
ReplyDeleteJust watched this episode in Scotland, so sad, hope is is o.k, did he have a passport with him ?
ReplyDeleteLee either is a genius who planned every detail of his disappearance, or he died in beginning of the disappearance. My questions is about the wallet. Did the police find his ID? If you think about it, Lee would have needed his ID to leave the country. If this was staged Lee would of have to purchased a fake Id. Because I thought the airlines keep records of all the names of the passengers on the flights. Also, didn't the police say he had $800.00 to his name. Is that even enough money to fly to Israel? The river theory is the most intriguing to me. Did the police officially declare the river as not a possible cause of death? If Lee is dead you would think that the river would be the main focus. One last thing, I live in Utah, as you are probably already aware, the Susan Powell disappearance is pretty big in Utah. With that said, do you have theory on the Powell case?
ReplyDeleteHi. Thanks for your comment. I haven't read about the Powell case. The police were dismissive about L.C.'s body being in the river (or in the environs) but I got the impression that was a premature pronouncement. I'll read up on the Powell case tomorrow when I'm more awake. Cheers.
ReplyDeletewatched the programme about lee on disapereard! iam a mancunian( from manchester england) noticed that lee had a manchester city football club shirt on! lee could be living in manchester, england i know its a long shot but it could possibly be an avenue to look down. manchester is a big city and has a big jewish community. i know its unlikely to think he may be there but any help is important. hope lee comes home alive one day.xx
ReplyDeleteI hope it happens. Thanks for your comment and well wishes for Lee.
ReplyDeleteJust watched this on Netflix as well. This is truly one of the saddest stories I think I've seen and I watch a lot of detective shows.
ReplyDeleteI think some of the most important things are as stated above, was his ID found? Because you can't do anything without one today, and then passport issue. This was quite a while a go now though, but as with everyone else I hope he's found alive.
Shawn.
Hi Shawn. I agree about how sad this is/was. I don't remember any longer about the i.d. I don't think he would have left the country if he is still alive (which you probably know I believe is highly improbable since you read the above). Good point though. That would be something someone who was going to disappear might want to keep. But better to start over with a new identity since you're going to be flagged by various computer systems if you use it (DMV, etc.). But if is alive--which is a really really outside chance but stranger things have happened--he probably has a new name, new identity, and of course new i.d. I think I.D. ran that one disappeared recently on "global amnesia" to remind everyone it does happen. But they pointed out how rare it is--that almost no doctor who treats even a superhigh volume of patients will ever see it in their lifetime. Although if you watched the DISAPPEARED on Steven Koecher, oddly enough that's one of the few cases where I think amnesia might be a very likely explanation of what happened...and I do think that young man is alive. I wish I believed that about Lee Cutler, who clearly was a wonderful human being also.
ReplyDeleteThis case is so strange but I have a strong gut feeling he is alive. I am just no buying into that whole suicide thing, it doesn't make sense.
ReplyDeleteI just finished watching "Disappeared" episode with Lee Cutler. I feel bad for his mother but come on! He apologized for being a "coward" in his letter. He had clothing and religious items found in or around the river. He also had desperate text messages the night before. Without going into the same detail you did, I just want to say he is dead. It is unfortunate but seems the most likely outcome. Out of all the evidence this case has, it all leads to suicide. I really enjoyed your detailed account of why you believe that as well. I will pray for him, his mother and may they both find comfort and the love they are looking for.
ReplyDeletewhat about the one who disappeared while diving in that cave I think he drowned in there or he never went in there at and made it look alike he did
ReplyDeleteWhat about the who vanished in the underwater cave or did he because I think that he never went to cave and made it look like he did
ReplyDeleteI saw that episode. Like his parents, I believe he's in that cave and his remains just have not been recovered. It's creepy but understandable. He was an adrenaline junkie who liked to push that envelope WAAAAY out there. And he liked tunneling in that sand...that's how he used to get into the "advanced" part of the cave before his buddy gave him the key. So as that experienced diver who made a film about this said, he probably panicked in his last moments and tunneled or wedged himself in some place where nobody's ever gone before. You saw the show. You heard them say how few people had even penetrated that far in. And we're talking world-class divers. I think it's a one in a million chance he's still alive. Another sad story. Do you remember any episodes of Disappeared that end happily. I can remember at least three. The woman who left because her family treated her like shit because she was an alcoholic. She was found safe and sound. And the wonderful story about the husband who kept looking for his wife and found her car off the road in the nick of time. He's a hero to me. Because he did it all himself. He didn't listen to people when they told him to just sit back and cool his heels. If he had, she would have been dead. And the woman with "global amnesia." But they're the exception. Most of these stories end with the discovery of bones. There probably are a few other "happy ending" ones I'm forgetting. Thanks for your comment.
ReplyDeleteIt just aired on TLC in the Netherlands. I wanted to know if there was any news so I googled. I hope he will be found soon, so his family can find peace.
ReplyDeletejust been shown in the uk. the guy would not take is own life . i believe the guy has set up life elsewere hes alive
ReplyDeleteI just finished watching the Lee Cutler , missing person story. Up until the end , I felt he truly was on a similar Journey, as the book he left in his trunk called, " Into the Wild" was about, and ultimately would be found dead some where , as the other young man was, with his Journal next to him. But, then last 5 minutes of the story leads me to think , he just may be alive, and following his original calling that his mom , Police , Detective , and the complete story line of the Lee Cutler missing person story, wait till the last few minutes of the show to tell you about... regarding Israel. He attends his cousins wedding in Israel, and LOVED it , did research on Google with his MOM ? Then sent direct inquires to the Jewish Army, and just as the show is over, the mother says, you know , I never saw any mail pertaining to any of that BUT .... ( she, then says ) Lee would always get the mail before anyone else...hello...definite cliff hanger, the show then ends ???? Bringing us to this AMAZING ongoing BLOG ???? I think, their have to be certain avenues for Jewish Americans or anyone , of age, to be giving the opportunity , to join the Israel Army, and possibly , receive financial assistance getting there , surely , once a part of it, he can show his knowledge of his Jewish faith , which is actually the beginning of the entire Lee story , remember his friend, reads from the scripture , referencing the date ,Oct. 20 , about starting your own personal Journey. I also believe he would have possibly changed his last name , to his mother's maiden name maybe,for a more spiritual connection to her , who knows , anything is possible.............Or , as a mother of three sons myself, I would surely hold close to that theory, just to make each tomorrow easier to bare... I also have faith that when he really grows up, if he is alive , he will send a silent WRITTEN ( which is what he LOVED to do ) message, some way to his family , so they will find some comfort. My HEART aches terribly for his mother , and I will pray , that closure , in any sense of a way , comes to her soon. I wonder why we only find out the Israel information , in the last 5 minutes of the story ? How come no one else feels that such information like that , which is a major big point to me , isn't even discussed until the show is about to be over? I feel his JOURNALS will surface , and a Book/Movie will be a true future possibility ? Cha Ching (in a good way I mean that) Just think , even this blog , and all it's entries of Love & Concern ,from STRANGERS ,all over the world have shared. Wow , we already begun to produce a journal, so far , based on continued "Curiosity" to the "Lee Cutler" Adult missing story information, and any news so far ???? I hope we find some answers soon !
ReplyDeleteYou know, I never took the "expatriated to Israel" seriously until I read your comment. Did he really attend a wedding in Israel? I don't remember that. I know about his interest in joining the Israeli army but I wasn't aware he had been over there. The only way I could see this happening is if he was recruiting secretly (like say by the Mossad). I realize how preposterous that sounds but it could happen. They still have one of the most active and wide-reaching secret intelligence agencies on the planet. But this would mean that Lee could stand making his mother think he was dead, which I don't believe he could morally do, being a good person and all. And I know his Mom's not faking. Anybody's who has seen her pain can see how real that is. I hope you're right. You can't help but hope as long as there's no body found. But I realize how far-fetched these hopes are.
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ReplyDeleteYou're right. I just found a transcript of the show. I had forgotten he had actually been over there. Then he might have actually made contacts. Or any recruiting forces might have realized how much this guy could be trusted. That he had the old sort of serious faith.
ReplyDelete"00:50:30 Narrator: Lee's love for israel started when he went to cousin ross' wedding in jerusalem in 2005."
Who knows. It does give a little more credence to my mind then that it might be a faked death.
I think the odds are against it. But that is a remote possibility. It would still mean he could deal his mother that horrible a blow, which I find hard to believe.
Just watched this show for the first time on Netflix thinking that it might trigger some creative juices for writing fictional stories. I couldn't have been more wrong, and I doubt I'll watch any more of the shows. What a sad story. Having dealt with suicidal thoughts and having grown up in Chicago (my sister actually lives just miles from Buffalo Grove), it really hit home.
ReplyDeleteMr. Keckler, thanks for writing this blog; it appears to be the only running update on this case. As for the most recent posts about him going to Israel, it's more than a little absurd. I'm certain investigators would have checked if he traveled. While it's possible a 17 year old (he'd just turned 18 weeks before) could have figured out how to establish a faked identity, it's extremely unlikely he'd gotten one so completely iron-clad to have obtained a passport. Moreover, I find it irresponsible journalism by the TV program to even suggest such a perposterous possibility. He managed to convert $500 in small bills into an international airline ticket? What about food? Clothing? Lodging? Moreover he'd have had to have gone all the way up to MN or down to O'Hare (back south of where he lived) for an international flight. How did he get to either without a trace? And moreover....why???
I could go on and on, but I will not. I believe I know the likely outcome to this case but who's to ever know for sure?
Sending positive thoughts and prayers to Lee's friends and family. Hopefully the positive memories of Lee live in people's hearts and minds. I hope one day you all have closure. I pray one day you all have peace.
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ReplyDeleteHi Stephen. Thanks for your kind words and good wishes for a happy resolution (or at least peace) for the ones who live with this young man's disappearance.
ReplyDeleteThe show does play up angles of mystery or extremely unlikely scenarios sometimes. On the one hand, we know how unlikely these scenarios are. On the other hand, we've all seen news stories where life is indeed stranger than fiction. In a world this (factually anyway) large, with seven billion people, some stories play out in exceedingly improbable ways.
Of course, they're being clever and featherbedding. Because this is what gets the shows talked about. And this means the cases are talked about. And this means, ultimately, some good may come of this due to the increased awareness about the missing person or people.
This installment of the series was indeed sad. I'd like to say there aren't numerous other installments that have just as much pathos to their stories. But there are.
Still, you might want to stick with it or give the show another chance because a few do have happy endings and a number of them are indeed fascinating studies of human nature and psychology. I've learned a lot from this series. There is a lot of practical knowledge to be gained, should we ever be placed (and here's hoping we're not!) in such a horrible situation as to have a loved one go mysteriously missing.
The one where the husband with the missing wife completely disregards everything the authorities tell him and engineers his own search for his wife (who he recovers at death's door and who survives) was a very powerful narrative.
There are others along those lines.
The McStay family disappearance is the case that went around the world. That obsessed me for a while. That and Lee Cutler seem to have been the two cases which most fascinate people, the former because of the Marie Celeste-like nature of the disappearance. And the latter because of the pathos of losing such a good soul at such a young age--and probably because it reminds us how insidious mental illness can be in stealing lives.
Best wishes for success with your published books and those you have yet to write. I followed the Blogger link back and was impressed with the way you're promoting your writing.
I Just watched the episode on Netflix as well, and realizing that it was broadcast years ago, I googled Lee Cutler to see if there was any new leads. I have to agree with everything you said up there, WK, as sad as it is. It's crazy to think that if Lee is alive, he has probably read this blog because it's one of the first things that comes up if he were to google himself.
ReplyDeleteLike most, I just watched lee's story on Netflix. I read just about every comment on here and I'm still undecided on what happened to him. It was stated he had $500-$800 yet he didn't buy but some medicine and a park entrance ticket. What did you think about the ticket? It was said he paid the amount for someone that resided in that city, and he did not live by that park. As for the passport, I believe he had one because of traveling to his cousins wedding. But how would he survive on that small amount of money? Everyone asks, how could he do this to his mother. How many stories have we seen or read about where people are very kind in public and to others, but have a different personality or way of life when alone. The amnesia theory, maybe I don't understand, but if this were the case why hasn't he been found roaming around? Unless there is evidence of a body, alive or dead, we will never know what really happened to him. Shows don't tell everything either.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the comments. Courtney, if Lee is reading this I will address this message to him now: LEE CUTLER, PHONE HOME!! PRONTO!!!
ReplyDeleteI think that some people here have finally brought up the two elements which leapt immediately to mind as the keys to this mystery.
ReplyDelete1. Where is that money? Was it in the car? It seems unlikely that he would leave everything else but take the money in to the river. If the money wasn't there, then it must have gone somewhere.
2. Where is his passport? Still at home? It's going to be hard to hitch-hike to Israel. He wont even be able to leave the country without an ID, though those are easier to forge or find.
Hi Cato. Good point about the money. But I'm not sure that just because the show might have omitted mentioning money found in the river, that it didn't happen. Searchers might have found money and it didn't make it onto the show's narrative. Or the money could be missing because L.C. gave it away in an act of charity before whatever bad thing went down did. Or possibly he did survive and leave that site. I suppose it's the easiest thing in the world for him to have had a change of clothes in that vehicle and he could have gone to the nearest truckstop (he supposedly loved hanging out there). I've always assumed (and hated doing so) that he's dead and that the search just wasn't really sufficient (it was a short term search). I've based that on the facts I mention in the post above. But mostly it's based on the idea that amnesia is very rare and, barring amnesia, it's hard to reconcile Lee Cutler's character with the action of destroying his mother and others with the act of deliberately vanishing (and making it look like a suicide). But who know what is in another's heart. I might vacillate between a 99% and say 95% certainty that this young man is no longer with us. But I do have that sliver of doubt that sometimes widens. If he didn't die, then he definitely wanted people to think he did. But looking at his past history with mental health, it seems most likely that things are what they seem on the surface: a tragedy. If not then, I'd say he's that extremely rare case of amnesia.
ReplyDeleteSometimes people speculate that people who disappear do it because they want to live a lifestyle of which (they fear) others/loved ones might not approve. That too is a remote possibility. Like say if he was gay or wanted to convert from Judaism to...oh...Rastafarianism. I'm deliberately being random. Just to say, yeah, sometimes there are other wild reasons that people have for disappearing.
ReplyDeleteJust watched. Great blog. I feel sad that it brings up bad feelings for his friends and family, but look at the amount of people curious of the outcome! People care - which means Lee is honored.
ReplyDeleteAnd I think it's horrible that people could place blame on his friends for being unresponsive...it is no one fault...it was no ones responsibility..a single text couldn't change his fate. I hope his friends and family are seeking counseling. Very traumatic.
My biggest question is the pants.If he did fake his death, Did he have another pair? If not, he mustve hitchhiked half naked!