Saturday, January 22, 2011

The McStay Family Disappearance

Update to this post dated 1/31/2012: This is a post I did very early in the case and no longer reflects all the information now made available to the public, so my own theories about this case have shifted somewhat.

I have not been able to verify Patrick McStay's current status. Numerous people have left comments stating he was successfully extradited from Texas to New Orleans to face charges on alleged financial improprieties. I've heard conflicting reports about whether or not he posted bail. Most seemed to think he was still being held, which makes me wonder if bail was set prohibitively high since he had previously been a fugitive with regard to the Louisiana warrant. If anyone has media or press confirmation (please don't leave any unsourced comments or I'll just delete them) as to his current status I'd be interested to hear. Also, if anyone knows the exact nature of the charges or if any additional charges have been filed--particularly if any of these charges were related to the McStay family disappearance. I'm doubting the latter is the case and am leaning towards the idea that P.M.'s legal woes are probably separate problems from any problems which might have been the reason for the McStays' disappearance. But we will see what we will see, I guess. For the record, as of this date, I believe the McStays are all alive and well, and that they disappeared of their own volition. For my reasons regarding this, just go to the homepage of this blog and look at the left hand side for the most read blog posts on this site and you'll see several other posts I did exploring several diverse theories which I feel are plausible explanations of the reasons for the family's disappearance.



12/28/2011 MCSTAYS UPDATE: I just put these two things together tonight: Does this creep you out the way it creeped me out?

IMPORTANT UPDATE ON MCSTAYS CASE: PATRICK ROBERT MCSTAY SOUGHT BY LOUISIANA LAW ENFORCMENT: WARRANT ISSUED. This might be the key to solving the mystery of the McStays' disappearance. Or it may prove to be unrelated.

Someone commented tonight that they agreed with me about the likely fate of Lee Cutler.

I wish it weren't so, but I think he's in the Baraboo River.

The only other possibility is that he had an amnesiac episode right at the site of his riverside encampment, and wandered off.

But all the evidence points to a suicide, sadly.

Many of the episodes and faces of Disappeared stay with one.

In some instances, one pretty much knows what the fate was, and it's just a matter of locating the body.

In others, it's a complete mystery.

PREFACE AND UPDATE TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE MCSTAY CASE: I now thoroughly believe this is the solution to the McStay family disappearance and I'm happy to say I believe they are all alive, if not totally well: I believe this explains why this case seems to be so irrational, seems not to make any sense. And I apologize for having used the phrase "McShady family." I won't edit out that old theorizing based on the very limited information available then--for the sake of continuity in the comment chain, etc. I now believe this is a tragic love story, and not a "true crime" story at all.


The McStay Family is pretty much like the Marie Celeste.

It's a bit of a mindbender.

I won't rehash all the details of their disapperance here, but if you get a chance to catch this episode of Disappeared, do check it out and let me know what you think.

I'm trying to come up with a plausible theory but finding myself completely stymied.

I think the salient facts my mind keeps turning over are these:

1) Either the family left suddenly in a panic or they wanted people to believe they had.

2) It cannot be unimportant that the last cell call made (the night of the disappearance from the house and four days before the alleged crossing over into Mexico) before all cellular activity ceased was to Mr. McStay's business partner.

3) The fact that four days elapse before they cross over into Mexico by night has to be significant. It's unlikely that this time was passed completely in the family vehicle. Have police/FBI checked motels for aliases? Would they have signed in their true vehicle if under aliases (probably not). Or were they staying with one of the business partners?

4) The MOST signifcant fact is that the family computer held searches about passport requirements for children entering into Mexico. Only the father had a valid passport. Summer's had expired and the kids didn't bring their birth certificates (which would be needed to get passports to exit Mexico).

5). They left the vehicle to be impounded and they left over one hundred thousand dollars in their bank accounts. No ransom demands were ever received nor were attempts made to siphon these accounts (going by what was revealed).

6). I do believe the footage shown is the McStay family crossing over into Mexico. The hats on the children were the clincher for me, and the timing.

7). The families could be covering but they seem to be genuinely worried and uncertain as to the fate of their loved ones. In a life or death situation, however, one would expect family members to "cover" for them. The various witness protection programs seem not to be a possibility.

The following are speculation:

1). The McStays seem to have been planning on staying in Mexico for a long time or permanently, judging by their heedless behavior with regard to passports.

2). Either they left their house in a panic (the dogs were left to starve basically) or they wanted people to believe they left in a panic. This definitely indicates they either felt threatened by something which they could not bring to the attention of law enforcement, or they were engaging in deception with the house left in such a state or both.

3). Either they had a great reserve of hidden cash and resources or they planned on having the same once they were in Mexico. This had to be a LOT of money, to leave one hundred thousand dollars and a late model vehicle behind.

4). Unlikely but possible: The father is a sociopath and under some false pretense took his wife and family to Mexico and then killed either his wife or his entire family. I don't think that's the case. A sociopath will usually reveal his nature well before the fourth decade of life. I got the impression he genuinely loved his kids and probably his wife as well. And a trip to Mexico would not be required to perpetrate such a horrible crime.

5). A little less unlikely and only remotely possible: One of the business partners (probably the one who refuses to reveal his name publicly) lured McStay and his family into Mexico under false pretenses and had them murdered for mercenary reasons. I don't have enough information about the business or its worth or the character and histories of the other business partners.

6). Very possible. It's a fact that McStay did have business dealings in Mexico and had some familiarity with the country. Possibly someone offered him an opportunity promising great wealth and he jumped at it. Possibly he didn't want to deal with the conventional route of acquiring Mexican citizenship for himself and his family and instead decided to pursue this through the black market--which is open to anyone with money in Mexico, not difficult to access at all. It's hard to imagine why he would leave significant assets behind and why the family would leave their stateside relatives worrying. If this was a setup and not a legitimate business offer, to what gain for those who set the McStays up? I mean since no ransom demands were made and no money or assets were stolen (from what has been released). Possibly this business venture involved illegal activity and McStay had decided it was palatable enough to leap. The family did seem a bit unconventional in their attitudes toward life. They did seem to like to flout conventional norms. If one is offered an opportunity to make millions of dollars, the assets left behind in America begin to seem less important. And they knew someone would find the dogs and take care of them.

INTUITION: The McStays are all alive. Mexico might not have been their final destination but probably it was.

The fact that they made no panicked phone calls to family members during the four days of their flight before their departure into Mexico indicates to me that they were engaging in covert activities and left the country of their own volition.

The probability that they have engaged or are now engaging in illegal activities is VERY HIGH. I almost can't envision any scenario that doesn't involve illegal activities stateside (pre-flight) or in Mexico or both.

I feel they will be discovered eventually. My intuition is that whatever lifestyle they have adopted now has to involve a great deal of stress. And I feel eventually this stress will lead to alienation between spouses and that Summer will be the one to make first contact with someone in America. And the plot will unravel and unfold from there.


HOW TO FIND THEM:

Retrace all of McStay's business dealings (as well as those of his partners) with anyone in Mexico. Go back several years. It's unlikely that McStay would be suddenly set up with someone in Mexico with whom he had no prior dealings.

Find out which former business connections are known to be "dirty." Focus on them.

Monitor internet account activities of all family members and business partners. Duh lol.

There is an increased likelihood that the family relocated close to the ocean, that they live in a shore community. In San Clemente, they lived right on the beach and both Summer and her husband were apparently totally in love with the ocean. When they purchased the house in the mountains, there was a great deal of lamentation about losing the ocean.

They would obviously avoid the locations where millions of Americans come through (Acapulco, Cozumel, etc.) and select a remoter site.

I don't know what the popular Mexican television shows are, but of course if they have a popular Unsolved Mysteries type show that's televised nationally, you'd want to get the McStays featured on that.


QUESTIONS: What sort of life insurance policies did these people have and in what amounts?

Who are the beneficiaries?

Good luck having the insurance companies pay out on this one. Even after the seven year rule.

It ain't gonna happen.

152 comments:

  1. Many folks on many message boards who have beaten this case to death agree with your analysis.

    The wife's name is Summer and she was up to her knees in the loan modification business. Many folks are now being prosecuted for their dealing in shady loan modifications.

    That link to Summer should be carefully examined.

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  2. Hi.

    I didn't know about that, but I didn't "buy" the way the show soft-peddles "Summer"'s name change.

    Thanks for the insight.

    The upside to all this potential criminality is that they are probably alive and the kids are alive so I'm happy for that.

    Grifting has definitely changed in the electronic age. In the old days, it was easier to pick out a grifter. The schemes were more primnitive.

    Today you can be a grifter and never earn less than 100K per annum, or live in a house that makes people think you are anything less than perfectly respectable.

    ;-)

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  3. Keep digging and posting. This is a most intriguing case and you just may be able to uncover something

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  4. Thanks for the confidence.

    But I think my Inverness is at the dry cleaner's.

    ;-)

    I think it will be the real po-po who solve the mystery of the "McShady Family."

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  5. How did they get evicted for not paying rent at their last apartment, buy a house for more than appraised value and still have $100,000 in the bank?

    Does anyone know for sure Joey ever actually installed a single water feature in a residential property or commercial property?

    What about the 50,000 sq ft. water feature store and warehouse which Joey described on this EIP website which did not exist?

    What did it take many weeks for the neighbor's surveillance video to come to light. When did LE actually know about that video?

    There are literally hundreds of unanswered questions in this mysterious case.

    It all goes back to some sort of shady financial dealings. I am not sure whether their business dealings let to them being killed or led to them going into hiding. But it all goes back to their scamming activity, I think.

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  6. See, you're giving me more information suggesting dubious dealings and even more dubious character.

    I didn't know about that.

    I have begun referring to them as the "McShady family" though now.

    They must hate that the DISAPPEARED show was made...because all that scrutiny coming from that show is NOT going to help them at all if they are trying to willfully stay hidden and out of authorities' eyes.

    I'm guessing some family members know the truth about their disappearance but that others do not, and that this is why there was cooperation and a show made.

    So who are the family members in the know? Here's my educated guess: the ones who said the video footage did NOT show the family entering Mexico probably know; the ones who said they think it was the family are probably OUT of the loop...not realizing they are supposed to be throwing out misdirection.

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  7. I found this on another site. This is troubling and does raise the possibility that Joey might have been having shady dealings with the WRONG business partner...

    Summer McStay's actual birth name is Virginia Lisa Aranda. A review of public records shows the 43-year-old mother also uses the names Summer Martelli, Summer Aranda-Martelli, Lisa Aranda, Lisa Martelli and Lisa Aranda-Martelli.

    Her first husband told News 8 he always knew her as Lisa until their divorce in 1994.

    News 8 has also learned that detectives are taking a close look at Joseph McStay's business relationships.

    Family members say McStay's business partner is a metal worker and welder named Chase Merritt, whose birth name is Charles Ray Merritt, age 52.

    Merritt is an ex-con according to court records, who also was one of the first persons to notice the McStay's were missing.

    Department of Corrections records show Merritt served time in prison for a burglary conviction in 1978. He was then sent back to prison in 1987 for receiving stolen property, according to State records.

    An acquaintance who knew Merritt in the 1980s told News 8 he has a checkered past.

    "I think police should look at him and anyone associated with him," the female acquaintance said. She asked not to be identified.

    Reached by cell phone Monday, Merritt declined to discuss his criminal past and told News 8, "I would just prefer to have no comment to any press right now. We want to find Joseph."

    Sheriff's officials say Merritt is one of several people they are speaking with and at this time he has not been named as a suspect in the case.


    DISAPPEARED downplayed Summer's name change. They did NOT say she had SIX aliases....normal law-abiding people do NOT have six aliases...get real!

    I don't know why, but I kept calling her Meredith in my first posting.

    If she turns out to be living under the alias "Meredith" in Mexico, I claim psychic dibs on revealing that!

    ;-)

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  8. OK, here are some things I was thinking could be a possibility:

    -What if Summer and her husband were part of a drug cartel in Mexico?

    -Or maybe Summer could've been having an affair (possibly even someone from Mexico-and maybe even part of a drug cartel)and had him kill her husband. This man could have been waiting in their house, made them look like they had to leave quickly by holding them at gunpoint (the whole time the wife being in on it. Then he tied up the husband, Mr. McStay, put him into the trunk, took the family somewhere safe, then left to kill the husband and dump the body somewhere. This could explain the 4 days the family was missing before the vehicle was found in the parking lot. Also, the toys maybe have been purchased AFTER the husband was killed, making it look like there wasn't any room for someone to fit in the back of the truck.

    -Another possiblity is that maybe the family had money stored inside the toys (like the toy fridge they had??-I think it was a toy fridge or a toy oven), took the money out of the toys and then just carried the money into Mexico.

    -Also, what if Mr.McStay had been a scam artist and was imbezzeling (not sure of spelling) money or stole money from someone. Maybe he even could have been a drug dealer and owed money to someone or stolen their money and had to up and leave because someone was going to kill him and his family. It was mentioned that the family had $100,000.00 in the bank but left the money. Maybe they had another account under a different name (wife knew how to do this) and had taken that money to get out of the country.

    -Maybe they crossed over into Mexico so that they could get onto a boat or plane to go to another country even? If they were to do that in the US they could possibly be found.

    -Also, there could be wayyyy more to this then we even know.

    It defenitly looks like it could be the McStay family crossing into Mexico, but like I said earlier, who knows if it was even Mr. McStay. Obviously it seems like they are trying to run or get away from something without leaving a trace but from who and why? Will we ever know???
    I hope we will someday. Thoughts and Prayers to their families.

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  9. Hi. Props for imagination on these points. You bring up a good point abou those toys purchased at a TJ Maxx. That was a lot of (largeish) toys to buy on vacation...more the type of toys you buy and take home right away. As capacity for storage yeah, but if it was the McStays walking over into Mexico and they were dirty and "in" with Mexican dealers, etc. they could have sent the toys one direction while they left another direction (taxiing down and walking across the border). I'm not sure I buy Summer having Joey killed (it's a combination of two many unlikely coincidences at once) but if you read the comment chain above this, people think she was "dirty" in her own right. Most people seem to see them as conspirators in whatever shady lifestyle they were living. And yes they definitely seem to have wanted to get away without a trace. Which is good, because it means (to my mind) the kids are okay. I honestly don't believe a single one of them is dead and they are well-fortified in their new lifestyle. But the U.S. government might not look so kindly on them and don't be surprised if the way the adults come back to the US is through extradition eventually. But if they're making the sort of money everyone seems to believe (illegally, and paying no taxes on it either) then they might end up living anywhere in the world ultimately. It's not that hard to retire permanently with only a few million if you're not greedy. Thanks for your guesses ventured on this. It would be interesting to know WHICH spouse was looking up the info on passport requirements for Mexico...whose account was signed in...or if one could pinpoint the time to a time when Summer was home alone...etc....Cheers

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  10. One thing that sticks in my mind is that they both loved the beach. This new house in the mountains did not sit well with Summer. Could they have just ditched their life in CA for a more bohemian one in Mexico? This story really boggles my mind and I pray those boys are okay.

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  11. Hi. They were beach people, so it's likely they would seek a house within driving distance of the ocean if not closer in Mexico. But going to the lengths they went just for a change of scenery is a little wild...I mean how hard it is to call and tell people..."Hey, we're OVER HERE! No need to involve the FBI!" ;-) I think they're alive.

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  12. The toys that were purchased were from Ross, and the show said they had no way of tracking them to what Ross they were from. But if they used their bank account or credit cards then the bank or credit card company would be able to tell you what store it was from.... I know this because on my bank account it shows the store number and same with my Credit cards. They need to know what store that was and look at their cameras. If it doesnt show on bank or credit card accounts then I believe it is very possible that they had huge amounts of cash, and/or have bank accounts in other names.

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  13. Good point. But I would assume they checked that and it was cash. And they probably did both have a slew of names and a ton of cash. Everything looks like a red herring, acts and objects used to willfully misdirect attention and the investigation. EVEN IF they were threatened by a criminal element (say that partner of his that has a scary criminal history) there is NO EARTHLY REASON they could not and would not have told family members what their intentions where. Which means (to me) family members are complicit in this and their website leaving personal messages to their "vanished loved ones" is just more smoke and mirrors and an attempt to throw off police (and possibly some criminal element that he or his wife crossed). Normal people do not conduct themselves like this. When threatened, they avail themselves of the help of law enforcement. And there is EVERY SIGN that this is a WILLFUL disappearance. Which is why I refer to them as the McShady Family. The upshot of this is the kids are fine. I'm guessing they didn't count on their neighbor's video camera catching them leaving that very early morning. Or they would have parked the vehicle around the corner the night before and avoided that. But the fact they parked that close to the border and the video shows what appears to be them all points only ONE direction: willful disappearance.

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  14. There is a McStay family site and, on 01/14/11, I posted the following. I still stand by it. I want to add that the huge number of aliases that Summer had and, even more, the differences in them indicate a high level of shadiness (as mentioned). Up-and-up people do not have this many aliases. Perhaps the focus needs to be on Summer and not Joseph. How interesting that we assume that the husband is the criminal. What an interesting cultural bias:

    I saw the Disappeared show and it left me (like many) w/more questions than answers. I would like to pose my questions here because I have to conclude that they have been answered, just not covered in the broadcast:

    (1) Re the food left on the table at the home: Doesn’t that signify that they left in a big, big hurry? That someone was gunning for them? As if they recd a phone call that said, “Get out of the house NOW!” This also applies to leaving the dogs (esp. the older one), which would never have been done except in an emergency situation;

    (2) Re the neighbor’s video that caught them leaving in the SUV. Were there any OTHER vehicles that parked there or OTHER individuals that entered or left the house? That was not discussed. If there were no other people entering the house, that supports a phone call as mentioned above;

    (3) Re Joseph’s involvement in some undercover operation. Why would other family members know anything about that if it were secret?;

    (4) If it is the family on the border crossing video, it was mentioned that they do not appear anxious. If they were instructed to meet a US gov’t agent in Mexico who would give them money and bring the to a safe place (perhaps somewhere else in the US or another country), wouldn’t that explain their calm and their bank funds and credit cards not being used? Is it still true that there is no activity on their financial accts? That does not bode well if that is not them on the videotape;

    (5) People who have custom-made water products are usually wealthy individuals, no? Living so near Mexico, isn’t it possible that Joseph’s clients were wealthy Mexican criminals and that the US Feds recruited him for information?;

    (6) Witness protection is something totally different than DEA or Homeland Security efforts. Has the family attempted to involve any Senators or Congressional reps to try and glean secret gov’t information that is not being revealed to them?;

    (7) Why was no mention of phone records made in the broadcast? Either cell or landline. What calls did the family receive and/or make prior to their disappearance?;

    (8) Could the toys be explained as the family killing time while waiting for the arranged time to make the border crossing?;

    (9) While Ross stores says it can’t place where the items were purchased, why can’t police review their security tapes at ALL their locations to see who purchased the items (unless they don’t have video and I will tell my criminal friends to shoplift at Ross’)? Were stores tapes (if available) reviewed at all?;

    (10) What about fingerprints on the toy boxes? There have to be some. Were any not of the family?

    I could probably go on and on. There is so much more here going on than we saw or either the relatives are permitted to divulge here or publicly. The holes in the the story are enough to drive a truck through. A little more truth or less denial would help in making this all more plausible and perhaps getting people to recall what they don’t think is relevant or material.

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  15. Hi Anonymous (last commenter). I promoted your comment to a full post and it's at the top of this blog.

    I tried to answer your questions there to the best of my ability.

    Cheers,

    Bill

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  16. I find the story very interesting. The food left out seems staged to me, corn and eggs - is that some sort of farm reference? I don't often see people leave bowls of uneaten popcorn on the couch and then go over and get out some eggs?

    I read on another website that the wife called a homeopathic store and tried to buy a medication called anger- some clue?

    Leaving the dogs seems like a total diversion since the woman made such a big deal of talking up the importance of the dog the week before.

    I would be willing to bet it was a long plan, something they put together over months or years. Why did it take them 3 years to find a house? Because they never intended to live in it for long?

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  17. Your guess is as good as mine.

    But staged...yes! Totally.

    They are all alive and well.

    And into something shady.

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  18. Personally with only the information the show has given I would suspect at least one of them is not alive. My feeling is there was foul play one against the other. The video of the the two children and two adults into Mexico are not clear enough to say who is who. Maybe the two kids are identifiable but the adults don't look like them at all. The money is left in the account because its a dead give away to multiple clues whoever withdraws it. The motive is not money but for change to get away one from the other. Or they were eliminated both by someone else. My suspicion is you see Summer and another person with the two kids entering Mexico. Or two other adults with the kids into Mexico.If someone believes they are both running away together because of a bad business deal the money would have been withdrawn and they would leave to anywhere but Mexico. I really lean that one or even the possibility that both of them are dead and the children are over in Mexico somewhere.

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  19. Interesting take on this, Parker.

    The money is still untouchable so they haven't given the money up.

    If they were engaged in serious lucrative criminal activities that money really might be a paltry sum to them. Don't underestimate the sort of money that changes hands in narco-trafficking.

    There are much easier ways to kill a spouse than the convoluted trajectory they took, so I don't really buy it.

    I believe they are in cahoots and all alive.

    But who knows.

    We'll find out one day.

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  20. Did the dogs survive

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  21. Hi. Yes. Animal rescue noticed the animals were untended and began leaving food and water for them. At first, this caused confusion because some people thought it was the McStays coming back to do this. But the general consensus is that animal welfare people exclusively were doing this. The animals were presumably later taken into custody and I suppose the family out of the area made the ultimate decision about the animals (you'd think they would have taken them in).

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    1. I believe that Summer loved her dogs. I also wonder if they have record of who called Animal Welfare to report the dogs. Was it a neighbor calling "anonymously"? Could it then have been Summer or Joseph, and if so, it would be interesting to know the timing of the call...
      One thing that confuses me, though - if the family was crafty enough to plan an international disappearance, why didn't they know enough to delete search history on the computer?

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  22. did you just hear that? on Nancy Grace, the brother of Joseph Mcstay, Michael, said that a painter they hired to work in the Mcstay "vanished"!????? WHAT? Why wasnt Nancy all over that statement for clarity?!!!! Who vanished? When?????

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  23. Well if he vanished and there was no written contract it makes it a lot harder to find the guy. That might not be an insignificant fact. Apparently, this is often a tactic used by con men to get inside homes and case residences for assets. A story was on the news the next day (far from that locale) where a group of fake "contractors" had ended up murdering a family. But there the theft of assets was apparent. In the case of the McStays, there was no sign that any profit would have been made from the family if they had been kidnapped. So I think it's unlikely. And contractors vanish all the time from jobs. Either because they just wanted that first check or because they got a more lucrative job. Or they're in jail afte violating probation. Well, lots of scenarios. You get the picture. Thanks for your comment and for visiting. Cheers.

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  24. The entire McStay family, not just Summer, was involved in the "Loan Modification" business. EIP,as well as Patrick McStay's "Loan Modification" business, as well as Joseph's business partner, Charles Merritt, all shared the same business address. Everything about this family and this case suggests mortgage fraud and income tax evasion. I have to believe
    that the local police and the Feds know much more than they are releasing to the public.

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  25. I figured the "solution" would be something like this. And there had to be big scores and yes, no taxes paid. I have a suspicion they will eventually be nabbed since this case has become huge--even internationally.

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  26. Destination Cuba- departed from Mexico City.

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  27. Why can't they run an America's Most Wanted and ask any family that crossed the border on that day and that time. Contact US. Most familes of four would know if it is their family on the video.

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  28. I am absolutely taken with this case. I just read all of your posts and it is just mind-boggling... Impressed with all that you came up with and wish I had something to add. So glad I stumbled on this site.

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  29. Thanks. A lot of people have added facts of which I was not aware. It is sort of the Marie Celeste of our day. But I think this one has a much better chance of being solved eventually. Because of the way information travels today.

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  30. Perhaps it has been stated previously, but what is Summer's ethnicity? Not a racial thing I assure you, just curious as to whether she could have relatives in Mexico or thereabouts. Were duffle bags, backpacks, suitcases missing? Were any obvious essentials missing?

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  31. Not sure. I wondered about that too.

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  32. I am concerned no one is expressing any major concern regarding these children, their safety, health and well being. First thought I had was parents killed, children kidnappened and sold for human trafficking. My prayers are with these children

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  33. Dark possibility but I don't think the complicated facts of this case point that direction. Plus, they probably would have kidnapped blond(e), blue-eyed children. I think they're all togetether and all very much alive.

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  34. Very interesting theories and ideas expressed here. Best info I've discovered on this case (in one afternoon). People article, this a.m. at hairstylist's said the younger dog remains with a neighbor of the McStays, and the older dog passed on, "one year to the day" after the family disappeared. (It did not seem clear to me, Where the "older dog" was located; I assumed, maybe at the same neighbors' place, along with the younger dog.

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  35. I really think that the McStays didn't plan on "disappearing" and that they probably just went to Mexico for a day. I've done this. I had a volunteering opp in Tijuana, so a few friends and I parked our car in San Ysidro and crossed by foot too. There's nothing strange about that. I dont know what people are making such a big fuss about the car being parked there. Also, I'm thinking, they had business there and so they left with the family, just to experience Mexico as well. That would explain the food left out at home. They were going to be right back. It wasn't enough to let the family know since they would most likely be back by the end of the night, but something happened along the way and delayed their going to Mexico...that dilemma lasted 4 days. the 4 days is what's very baffling to me. Also, according to some other articles, they left their son's asthma medicine in their car! I wonder why though? I mean, if he didnt need it because they were going to return right back, is a possibility but never did. I wonder how that kid's holding up without his meds. Also, the toys, i dont think is much to worry about. I think since they were out, they just decided to buy some toys, and were planning on bringing it back hmoe with them, but never returned. I dont think the toys are of any concern, but i dont agree with someone who wrote that they should run a fingerprint check on the boxes or toys themselves. And the newly purchased DVDs? Maybe to keep the kids busy...but was there a dvd player found at all? Seems pretty odd to be eating popcorn and eggs at nighttime.I really do believe that they were planning on only being gone for a short while but something happened to them while they were there.

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  36. They should at least contact some psychic. I know that's not very logical, but maybe, just maybe, s/he can tap into some clues. It's worth a try.

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  37. http://empathysinsights.blogspot.com/2011/03/mcstay-family.html

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  38. Summer McStay was of Columbian descent...Might be nothing, but worth looking into.

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  39. Hi. I came across the McStayfamily website while doing "research" on missing people. I remember the episode of Disappeared airing but I thought that particular episode would be boring so I have no seen the episode, however, after doing research, watching a few news reports and reading a bit on it, I myself have my concerns and questions over this whole case.

    -Why weren't all surveillance cameras of ALL local Ross locations checked?
    If they check all surveillance videos of all of the local Ross stores they are bound to find some evidence of the family shopping. From there on they can observe their behavior and demeanor as well as identify employees who interacted with the family on that day and question them.

    -Have cell phone records been checked?
    Who was the last person both Summer and Joseph called and received calls from? Were there any numbers which were questionable?

    -If both Summer and Joseph had cell phones, was the company able to track down the general location in which the cellphone was last in? Were they able to locate the last tower which received signals from the cellphones, beit in the US or Mexico?

    -Both work in areas that involve money and while everyone focused so much on Joseph, have the people Summer associated with been looked at and questioned?

    -Why did Summer have so many aliases? In what situations in the past had she used such aliases? Why did she have so many aliases?

    -Summer is Colombian, does her family(or herself) have any ties/connections to Mexico? What is her family's financial situation? Have they been located and questioned?

    -What social networking sites did they frequent(if any)? Perhaps there were statuses, updates, or information in the "About Me sections" linking to their location. Who were they "friends" with on these social networking sites?

    -What was their financial situation. Sure, they had the $100,000.00 in the bank, but if they had not touched it, what exactly were they saving it for? Were they not financially stable and were saving it for a rainy day or what?:O

    -Did Summer and/or Joseph at that time, "upset" anyone? Was anyone "mad" or angry at them?

    -What ties exactly did Joseph and his business have to Mexico?



    My personal opinions on what the situations could be are:

    -This was planned all along. Both were in on this together. Any human being with a little common sense can figure out what trails are dead give-aways.

    -They ignorantly decided to travel to Mexico and were killed. For those of you who are ignorant, that DOES happen. While blonde hair/blue eyes may be valued in the human trafficking industry, "gringos" and tourists are even more valued to those poor, in need of money and in drug associated distress. I have a friend whose relative was killed while transporting something from America to Mexico and he was a trucker.

    -Not only was this planned, but they aren't even in Mexico. They may have traveled through or to Mexico to get to their destination because Mexico would throw people off

    -We are all completely wrong in our assumptions and the family does indeed know something...well at least specific members of the family while others remain ignorant and concerned.


    Too many questions are left unanswered,questions which any family with a missing loved one would want answers to. Very shady and messy situation here

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  40. This is a very interesting case. My feeling is that this was a typical night at home for them. I don't believe their was anything underhanded going on with this family ... they were just living their life and raising their children. Whatever happened that night to make them leave so quickly, is the mystery. All indication shows that they thought they would be gone for a very short period of time. Dogs were out, food left out ... just like they were going down the street and coming right back to finish up.

    Whatever the reason, I think they were met with fowl play that same night and were most likely killed in California. To me, it appears that whoever harmed them, knew them intimately. The car location, contents, etc, was just a set up to cover up the crime. Knowing that the police would look at the video tape of those entering Mexico, 4 "look-a'likes", positioning the kids with beanies on, was staged to cover up the crime and throw everyone off.

    I would bet my life that they did not stage this and are not in Mexico. I truly believe that they are gone. Such a cute family ... it's so sad. It's going to come out that it was a business associate of the husbands that killed them because they stumbled onto something.

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  41. Hi. Thanks for your conjecture. I have to say the "4 look-alikes" you speculate on is the most unlikely thing I have ever read said about the case. You said they met with "fowl play"...evil chickens pecked them to death? J/k...I couldn't resist. Forgive me lol. I think if you read a little more about the case you'll see it's not as simple as you're making it out to be.

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  42. I think it was them going into mexico, I think McShay cut his hair & that's why his mom didn't recognize him without his normally big hair.

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  43. http://www.realitychatter.com/t2049-missing-families-jamison-10-09-szczepanik-12-09-mcstay-2-10

    Maybe these situations are related, minus the szczepanik situation as they've apprehended the individuals suspected of their murders.

    I keep going over this situation, over and over and some things just do NOT add up.

    I finally watched the episode and I have to say, something about the attitude and behavior of the family members...shady. It screams shady.

    The family says that the McStays aren't in the Witness Protection Program or in any form of the program, but perhaps they are? The government would not be allowed under any circumstances to discuss their location and would allow local law enforcement to continue the search.

    Another thing, the szczepanik situations are both suspicious,as all of these cases are....hmmm

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  44. About the toy fridge or toy oven left in the car. This is not a common toy for little boys. Were family members questioned about knowing if this was something that they had in their house?

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  45. I get the impression the McStays were pretty relaxed, were okay with thinking outside the box. They strike me as the sorts of people who wouldn't really care whether their boys bought "gender-normative" toys or not. They were all growing their hair out pretty long right? Loved the beach culture. What? Boys can't pretend to cook meals as kids? That way, they might grow up to be the sort of husband or boyfriend who can take turns with their partner making dinner. Or they might become Chef Ramsay. ;-)

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  46. Hi...just found your blog as I was googling about the McStays (I check up on this case periodically because it is so disturbing.)Nice site!
    Maybe I'm incorporating too much of my own tendencies here, but it seems to me like there was some kind of emergency to which they were responding.
    While I understand that there is some indication that there was some pre-planning, the circumstances just seem too urgent. Food left out, puppies left behind...I'm a little OCD on never leaving the kitchen untidy, but most normal people don't leave food out. And most normal people don't leave family pets behind. UNLESS there is an emergency.
    As I read, it occurs to me that we know a good bit about Joseph's family (because of his brother's website) but what about Summer's? Why isn't anyone from her family campaigning for her and the family, too? I would think both sides would be flooding the media, passing out fliers...have you heard that her family is doing this?
    So...my suggestion is to consider emergencies that would cause a family to temporarily (and possibly permanently leave) their home in a big hurry:
    _serious illness or accident in the extended family
    _some other crisis in the extended family
    _fear of one's life
    _shared psychotic episode
    _perceived threat (whether real or not)

    I can't think of anything else that would make me suddenly leave. I can't imagine a parent saying to the children crying over leaving the pets, "Come on...we don't have time to worry about them right now" unless there was something seriously wrong, and they either thought they'd be right back, or they seriously just couldn't put collecting the dogs and traveling with them ahead of their own safety or so frantic to leave that the dogs really didn't occur to them at the moment of flight.

    If it was indeed them on the border surveilance video, it logically doesn't take them four days to get from their home to the border, so everyone agrees that they were somewhere else for those days.
    _were they tending to the emergency situation?
    _were they so affected by the emergency that they felt they needed a fresh start?
    _did they fear the first place people may look for them was the border, so they waited a few days to be, hopefully, less obvious?
    _were they spending time purchasing false IDs so that they could begin a new life?
    _were they responding to a perceived emergency that turned out to be a trap?

    I think the big, new toys were to delight and entertain the boys, maybe because they wanted to distract them from different surroundings, and didn't want them thinking of home or the pups.

    If they had planned it out and didn't want to look suspicious, I would imagine bank withdrawals would have been small, slow and steady, so as not to create suspicion.

    So...I don't know what happened, but in the pit of my gut, I feel panic when I read about this. And I say a prayer that this family just "dropped out" to live a beach life, and that the rest is just our vivid imaginations. The world is such a big, wonderful, terrifying place...

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  47. Hi. Thanks for your thoughts.

    I believe the emergency was either faked or they left under duress--either a threat to both of the adults--or a threat to one of them because the other was in collusion with a third party or parties.

    I can't NOT believe that one or both of the adults planned this trip into Mexico because of what most people who look at the case say is the single most important piece of evidence: the fact that one of the adults researched the requirements for entry into Mexico (the passport query).

    And now I learned recently that Summer McStay was learning Spanish right before the disappearance (so much for her protestations that she hated the idea of going to Mexico).

    I hate to say it but I now think Summer McStay is the one who engineered the disappearance and I greatly fear that Joseph McStay came to harm.

    I now believe Summer McStay was probably involved with another man--either a boyfriend, or a criminal alliance--and that the man traveling with her into Mexico was not her husband (Joseph McStay's mother doesn't think that's him on the video but believes it might be Summer and the kids).

    I think you're right that the big toys were to distract the children during those four days in a motel or some stranger's home.

    But I also believe they were to calm the children's fears at the disappearance of their father and the introduction of a strange man into their lives.

    Also, they needed time to dispose of Joseph McStay's body (if I'm right).

    Needless to say, I hope I'm wrong.

    Because I would like to think they're in Witness Protection and together (this is the second strong possibility).

    Despite what we hear, I don't think the government would tell the truth about them being in Witness Protection. It certainly wouldn't serve the interests of the McStay family if they were. It could compromise their safety.

    Summer (nee Lisa Aranda) McStay's sister is featured in several of the documentaries.

    She comes across rather coolly.

    I have no idea if she knows anything or not.

    I think it's more likely she knows something than that the McStay family knows what happened.

    If they're in Witness Protection the McStay family might really know it and be covering.

    But more and more I'm beginning to think by the efforts they are making, that they are generally mystified and troubled by their loved ones' disappearance.

    I just now lean more towards Summer being behind all this.

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  48. So I admit I'm a lot ignorant when it comes to Witness Protection Program but how does this work with other people who go into this program, they too have families, do they not get to tell at least one person what is going on? They would have to or everyone's family and friends who enter into a program like this would be out looking for them right? You would think that those who knew would tell the brother, who established this website, what was going on so that he didn't go to this extent but just let it cool down. Or, if he does know, it seems like he's going way over board trying to cover it up.

    I have followed this story for some time now and my heart goes out to this family. I find Summer's alias' to be quite interesting. We haven't heard from too many of her family members, just a sister I believe. She could be going by a variety of different combinations of her names and Joseph could of changed his to one of her's as well. I will continue to follow this story and hope for the best

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  49. What a great site to stumble upon. I just watched this on Disappeared last night on the ID channel. I too am fascinated with this "disappearing act". Not sure I have come to any real conclusions myself but I love reading everyones take on here along with some new information. Like so many of you, I am really bothered by a few things, especially that the dogs were left behind. If Summer or the both of them planned this, I would think that they relied on faith that someone would eventually take care of them. My guess is they assumed that someone would have noticed a little sooner that the family was MIA. As far as the Summer's aliases, I don't find those names to be that odd. When she first got married, maybe she started out hyphenating her name. Then she fianally dropped her maiden name. Then changed her name to Summer before she got remarried. Now if there was another name completely different, I would be more suspicious of the aliases. I do agree with others that she should be looked at with more scrutiny. Especially after learning about her taking up Spanish?! And what about the different contrators in and out of the house. Maybe she got caught up with one of them? So if that wasn't Mr. McStay, it could have been a man that the kids have been use to seeing/being with for the past few weeks and so they do not appear scared. Although it's hard to know for certain with seeing their faces.
    Anyway, that is my two cents for now. I will be checking back here frequently for updates and such.

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  50. The type of food out at that time of the night/morning is puzzling, the fact that other border security videos aren't looked at..just looks like witness protection as JM may have shed some light on underworld dealings going on. The govt can say what they need to the media and we end up with spanish lessons, previous mexico website viewing and passport enquiries Etc.. this will throw off the persons after them

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  51. A philosophical comment:
    I watch these detective / mystery shows often.
    Of course there is a perpetrator (bad guy) and a really, really smart detective team who solves the crime. Forensics, a hunch - whatever.
    Often times we see the lengths that both the crooks go to to hide their misdeeds and the amazing creativity of the problem solvers.

    So what am I getting at?
    What I'm getting at is that somebody may have been VERY, VERY smart. Even the computer search of Mexico could have been "planted".
    Just like their are some amazing detectives, there can be amazing "perpetrators" who leave us "stymied forever".

    I saw the show and was HUNGRY for ideas and came here - and there are MANY great theories, including the "other man" theory.

    But of course, it is quite possible that "we" are just plain beat! THe perpetrators may have thought things through really, really well.

    Can we admit that we might be permanently outsmarted? Are we considering that possibility.

    I would love to turn on the news one day and learn what happened but I am accepting that I may never learn that.

    Somebody wrote "I can't NOT believe" (see below). That's what set me off. Even THIS might have been planted. Anybody who watches TV knows the detectives look at this.
    There are so many possibilities as to what happened.

    You know how I feel?
    I feel OUTSMARTED.
    And I think this may be the "perfect crime". Anybody agree? Disagree?
    The perfect crime. We're outsmarted.

    I can't NOT believe that one or both of the adults planned this trip into Mexico because of what most people who look at the case say is the single most important piece of evidence: the fact that one of the adults researched the requirements for entry into Mexico (the passport query).

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  52. Dear Anonymous, This is always a possibility. But I feel so much randomness, so much chaos in their lives before this happened that I believe something huge built up from tension was about to happen. When I watched that videotape of them taking the drive to their new home, I just got more of a feeling of a real sourness and difference of mindsets between the two partners (her insistent negativity about the move) and the fact that many (including his own mother) don't think that is Joseph McStay on the video but that it IS Summer McStay lead me to believe the female was the more deadly of the species--at least in this instance. But I don't really know and I certainly wouldn't wager any large amount of money on that. I'm not sure it's "the perfect crime." Well, we can't really say that until we know there has actually been a crime (I don't think defaulting on a mortgage counts). The four days before the crossing over into Mexico (and I do believe at least 3 out of 4 of them crossed--in other words, that the video image is most of the family) is really the key to the whole mystery. Why wait four days? Why was the McStay family not contacted to put their mind at ease if this was a joint effort, a concerted effort to flee. Well, if Joseph McStay is dead that explains why the McStays weren't contacted. REmember, it's the McStay side of the family that keeps this search in the news, that maintains that website. Once, I was skeptical and thought they were "covering." I no longer believe that. I think they are definitely flummoxed. Notice how you don't hear that much from Summer's side of the family. Hmmmm. I'm not saying they have any clue what happened. But if she did do something like I suggested, do you think she'd be calling and sharing that with her sister? Not very likely.

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  53. One thing that is obviously puzzling is "where were they doing the 4 days?" And my analysis of that question begins with a question of fact:
    Is it true that both adults need passports? And the kids need birth certificates? Are those true statements. If they ARE true then PERHAPS they were spending the "4 missing days" finding false documents. I guess I seek an answer to my question.

    One other thing that I think about: It sounds like the business partner is WAY shady - not just a little shady.

    Y'know people have great secrets - they could have just bolted.

    Another thing that keeps yelling at me is: $100,000 just abandoned... Like they say "follow the money".

    a. They left it there deliberately
    b. They hoped to get it back and never could
    c. Their lives were in imminent danger and they had to run NOW!

    Theories b and c are dark.
    Someone suggested they took an excursion into Mexico and never got back. Yeah, maybe - but WHAT ABOUT THE 4 DAYS?
    This thinking suggests they were somehow "confined" for the 4 days.
    I am stymied - but I do want to know whether the adults had present passports to cross - because it is my understanding that Summer didn't have one.

    As far as the name changes? Maybe innocent. I'm more skeptical than I was during Disappeared.

    One thing I can attent to: What a great mystery! But I have 2 boys. Terrible thoughts about the boys are 2 hard to bear.

    My favorite resolution: They're chillin' somewhere with lots and lots of dough. But - I would have bet anything Casey was convicted - so I'm convinced .... I DON'T KNOW. But I sure am curious. And I hope they are well - please be well.

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  54. That is an excellent, but subtle question: Why wasn't the family contacted?
    a) Mr. McStay was incapacitated
    b) Other - like they were running and were very, very, very, very careful not to leave tracks. A long-shot but possible.
    I vacillate about where this this is a solvable crime. Area to search include:
    Toy store videos

    One other thing I'm curious about: What day of the week was the 4th? The 8th?
    It was evening and they took the kids into Mexico after being incommunicado for 4 days?

    There's meat here for investigation - a very close look at his business dealings, closer look into her history, very close look at the money (bank, credit card, etc.) and not just recent.

    I'm about ready to write this off - as insolvable. Pleasant surprises and happy ending happen every day. Let this be one.

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  55. In response to the last two comments...

    They could not have gotten (legal) passports in those four days.

    If you look at it as both of them choosing to disappear almost nothing makes sense.

    If you look at it as Summer having Joey killed and fleeing with the two children and another man, MORE THINGS MAKE SENSE.

    Not everything makes sense with that theory, but it seems to explain the four days (dispose of the body) and the reason why McStays own mother believes the woman in the video footage is Summer but the man is NOT Joey.

    If you look at the videotape I posted here where they are scouting their new home, I sense a real divide between the two. Listen to some of the pronouns Joey uses to separate himself from his wife, and listen to how much she hates this move to her new house.

    Maybe they made this sudden move precisely because Joey had found out about an affair, and was trying to save marriage by moving Summer far away from her guy.

    And maybe that was a BIG mistake on Joey's part, leading to his murder (perhaps something Summer did NOT expect to happen) and Summer's flight with the guy.

    Or perhaps the guy kidnapped Summer and her children.

    But I believe she was complicit with him. She did the search for entry requirements into Mexico. She was learning Spanish.

    It's the McStays who keep searching for the missing family. Not her family.

    Do the math.

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  56. Your theory hinges on the idea that the man in the border-crossing photo is not Joey.

    You are almost suggesting that by not looking, Summer's family is somehow complicit in the matter. Well, I suppose - but that's a bold statement.

    Your theory seems complete but there is so little to go on.

    Again:
    a) A brilliantly staged plot. A plot which could have predicted folks like us stymied.
    b) Somehow a business deal gone wrong. They fled for their lives. What was the time relationship between Joey's last phone call and the departure from their home. If they were concurrent, the business partner likely said something that necessitated immediate, drop-everything departure.

    If I were the McStay family, my primary focus would be on getting publicity. This is the kind of story that could become a hit book, a hit movie and raise people's consciousness - leading, perhaps, to a resolution.

    For example, the child has a very distinctive (birth?) mark on his face. Somebody might remember seeing a child like that. Publicity. I happened to stumble on this story, watching TV. If I were the family, I'd just keep sending letters to authors, newspapers, television channels, and so on.

    Family vanishes. No signs of foul play.
    Man, I don't put anything past. I think they could have STAGED the whole into-Mexico thing - and the computer-search-of-Mexico thing. Very far-fetched but people are clueless, outsmarted - aren't they?

    And, although the car was cramped ... five people in the car for a short time is not impossible.

    So little to go on.

    This may be a stupid question but I just don't know. Would Joey and Summer have needed passports to enter Mexico?

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  57. There are some really good theories here. I think "in the witness protection program" is very possible. Abduction in the parking lot also seems possible to me.
    http://www.mcstayfamily.com/disappeared-1311-10pm

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  58. Postscript to this post: I wrote this some time back.

    I now lean towards the theory that a man killed Joseph McStay and Summer and the children accompanied him into Mexico.

    My belief is that either Summer was complicit in this or the man (probably a lover) surprised her by killing her husband without her participation in any plan.

    After this theory, the four days spent in America were probably time spent getting rid of the body and making plans for the trip across the border.

    Summer McStay was not only researching information on passport requirements for Mexico...it was recently revealed she was learning Spanish.

    If you watch the McStay Family videos on YouTube (particularly the one where they are driving to see their new house, pre-move) you can hear the tension that divides the two. Summer is constantly talking about how much she hates this move, this new location. Joseph McStay uses the first person singular instead of "we" several times in an awkward way--which seems to foreshadow an anticipated break.

    My guess is that he might have moved the family precisely because he knew (or suspected) Summer of involvement with someone else.

    And if this is correct, this probably backfired on him in a horrific manner.

    Because the other man (or Summer and the other man together) probably decided to make their break at that point.

    Possibly Summer McStay wanted the children to herself and thought having her husband entirely out of the picture was the "answer."

    Possibly she was taken against her will by this other man.

    But I now believe (I hate to say) that I think Joseph McStay is dead.

    I do believe the other three McStays are alive.

    Joseph's mother reviewed that Mexico video and stated she believed those were her grandchildren and Summer, but that she did not believe the man was Joseph.

    I think this one is going to have a heartbreaking ending.

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  59. I totally agree with the theory that Summer has decided to start a new life without her husband and she either killed him or had him killed
    That is why his mother did not recognize him on the video crossing to Mexico
    Summer appears to me to be evil. Clever .....the lover is probably rich and the kids do not need their birth certificates if they will now be given a new identity
    Well done Summer you will however get caught sooner or later

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  60. Hate that we both share that belief. But it's sort of one of the few theories that really makes any kind of (yes, evil) sense. Thanks for visiting and commenting, Judith!

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  61. As an Australian now captivated by theses happenings, one can only submise that illegal involvements by one of the adult partners necessitated the other to remain loyal and flee America to a safer haven and enable the illegal activities to continue under scrutiny. Changing names continually is evasive or insecure.
    dr brian carman.
    Australia.

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  62. There's far too much not being said....somebody knows something and it's not being reported. Witness Protection?
    Isn't there also 2 small airports between San Diego and San Ysidro? Park the car, hop on a plane, someone else comes across an abandoned car, uses it for 4 days and abandons it.
    Or 4 days at a hospital to remove the little boys birth mark?
    Where the boys births recorded with Vital Statistics? Why did Summer give birth at home, at her age? And she wanted them home schooled. What is she hiding? Did she ever have any other kids? If so, where are they?
    I believe it was raining those four days. Anyone check small flowing creeks and rivers where a body may be dumped?
    Where the car tires checked for soil samples?
    If I left home in a hurry, I would take my small treasures, and probably my favorite recipes...!? My favorite jacket, shoes etc.
    It appears in the videos that Joey is closer to the kids than Summer. And why was she concerned about a truck stop? Why did someone call the police about her in San Clemente? LOts of unanswered questions. Witness Protection!
    Praying for their safety....

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  63. Hi Brian. And thanks for your surmises and the comment. I'd like to think that loyalty between the two is what's behind the disappearance--and that's what I initially thought. Sad to say I now lean towards the female of the species being deadlier than the male. I fear we will discover she and the kids are alive and have absconded, but that Mr. McStay is not. I'm not sure whether I believe she engineered this thing, or whether she was a somewhat passive participant and the crime was initiated by a lover. I think the secret to the whole thing is the pressure brought on by the move is what caused the murder. I think the husband forced the move because he either knew or suspected Summer McStay of this infidelity. And this backfired because then the man killed McStay and absconded with the wife. This is why she was researching Mexico as a destination. This is why she was learning Spanish. This is why she was telling people she hated Mexico and would never go there (to throw everyone off her trail). And this is probably why the money was never touched. One: not to arouse suspicions further and "kick up" the investigation to the intensity a homicide investigation would require and Two: perhaps the man didn't want anything to do with what he perceived to be McStay's money--probably because of hatred/jealousy/pride issues. That's my theory, for what it's worth. And I do believe they will get caught.

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  64. Hi Anonymous. Thanks for your comments. I don't think they're in Witness Protection. You would have seen a trial occurring with someone close to them being prosecuted. This seems not to have happened. I think three of them are alive. I don't think Joseph McStay is. I hate saying that but I think Summer absconded with the children and an (as yet unidentified) man who was most likely her lover.

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  65. "her lover"..the guy in the picture with Joseph and Summer who introduced the two of them??? Maybe??? Where is he now??
    Is there any proof that she has been corresponding with another guy? I think her Mother is hiding something. Someone has to get her to talk.
    Joseph received the Spanish CD.....did he research on passports? I truly believe that the Fallbrook house was a temporary thing, and they had planned something when they were in San Clemente. If they left the country, where did they go? Can some people do some "scenarios"??
    Maybe contact Ann Rule. She is a great author of true crime. She just might have a hunch..?

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  66. nothing has been mentioned from authorities about the height of participants in the surveillance video.?
    the guy is definitely '6.0" or over.& female looks to be '5.9" or10".
    the mcstays r supposed to be '5.9" & '5.5".
    am i correct in this ?if u do an analysis by expert video .surely !!!

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  67. "Anonymous," If your height analysis thing is accurate then that would seem to rule both McStays out. I didn't read that that had been verified by the FBI or any photometric specialist or anything? Sounds like you're estimating? Hard to do from videos without knowing the angles, camera specs, etc.

    Not sure if other comment by "Anonymous" is you also, but I will say my belief about the existence of another man is speculation based on the facts available.

    About Joseph receiving the Spanish c.d. Whether it came in his name or not, the journalist source I read online stated clearly it was Summer who was learning Spanish. Not Joseph.

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  68. A lot of these theories are possible, yes, but I am not convinced she would leave her beloved dogs behind to starve to death. Watch the video in which she is playing with Bear. I can tell how much she truly loves that dog. No amount of money would EVER tempt me to just let my dogs rot in my backyard. No way. Watching them interact with their kids, and seeing all the photos, I believe they were just a normal loving family. No 'lover' involved, IMO. I think we all watch too many detective movies, and have vivid imaginations.
    I am unclear whether Joseph was in the house at the time they left abruptly? Was his truck there or not? Or did he call her to meet him somewhere and they were all abducted and murdered by some drug cartel members (not so uncommon down there). Just a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It happens every day.
    Whatever the case may be, it is a fascinating story...

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  69. ...oh, and another bit of evidence in which I don't believe Joseph would willfully go into hiding, is that if you watch the video of before they moved into the house, he talks about re-doing the flooring and countertops, appliances, etc. Later in videos, you will see the new improvements, and stacks of hardwood flooring waiting to be installed. Hardly a sign that you were planning to split any time soon.

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  70. Good point about the flooring and countertops, etc. More proof that he (at least) had committed to the house. Not so sure she felt the same way. My theory is she left with another guy and the children. But I don't rule out the possibility that he could have forced her to go with him...perhaps she was involved but underestimated how far he would go to have her and get rid of J.M.. Or maybe was completely complicit.

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  71. I have a gut feeling that Sommer is the key. This was not a happy woman. JM seemed to be doing a really 'hard sell' during the drive towards the new house during the YouTube post. All family membors report that renovations were not going well, remember a close friend had to step in to help paint...he later said the job was far bigger than he was lead to believe it was ( kind of a manipulation considering this family had the funds to hire painters)

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  72. After reading all the facts. I believe the 2 kids and Summer are alive. I also believe Joe mcstay is dead. I believe Joey Mcstay was killed and killed by his wife summer. After watching video of them crossing the boarder, I know for a fact those were the 2 kids and summer but the man holding one kids hand is not Joey Mcstay.

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  73. Remember Olivia Newton John's partner who "disappeared" off a fishing boat out of San Pedro after paying up his food bill and left his car in the parking lot? Everyone said how could he possible get back into Mexico without being seen - must have fallen off the boat, etc. Some show sent an investigator to Mexico and was given lots of leads, but never sighted him? Presumed dead, etc. Then, just in the last few months in 2011, he indeed did turn up in that town in Mexico and asked that people just "leave him alone." No explanation from him on why he did this. He owed his ex-wife back child support - who knows? I like the idea that Summer was sure someone would check on the dogs eventually, but she sure hated that house, right?

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  74. Hi. Thanks for your comment. I never heard about the O.NJ. disappearance. I remember her marrying actor Matt Latanza (sp?) way back. But I'm assuming this is a former, non-celebrity partner. I would Google it but I'm in the midst of something else right now, but wanted to acknowledge your comment and say thanks. It's cheering to hear of the surprise recoveries. I hate believing that J.M. is dead, but I do. And I think Summer is alive. And that the kids are alive. I used to believe the McStay four were ALL alive and together. But after seeing more clips of the McStays (parent, sibling) and how they are conducting themselves in the media, I believe they are honest and good people and not covering for Joseph McStay. I believe they are really horrified and have no answers. If Joseph were alive, he would have contacted them. If he were hiding out, he wouldn't want them to spend all this time creating more media coverage. It would make no sense. And the McStays are very proactive, not reactive. Which again would be dumb if they were complicit in Joseph's deliberately absconding with his family. Summer is more mysterious. She seems shadier to me now with the facts that have come out (which are still very limited) and there is a lot of misinformation online--I saw a website that promulgated terrible amounts of misinformation and I saw the McStay family (parent, sibling) felt very used by that individual who apparently distorted info and even made stuff up wholesale. I just think the move is what precipitated the murder. That's NOT a coincidence. That the murder happened right during the move process. I think there was a connection there Summer had with someone and when Joseph moved the family, the mystery man decided he was going to make his own horrid "move." I'm sure the police are holding back all kinds of information so the investigation isn't compromised and possibly the family is too--not out of malice but because they've been requested not to release it. That's just the way it often is with investigations and everyone should respect that. If they DID know about Summer having an affair or having bad character, they probably wouldn't release that info--I mean if either the police or the family knew. Because that would probably anger Summer and accomplish nothing by way of getting them closer to being reunited with any family members who are still living. I'm just speculating here. She probably hated the house because she hated being moved away from whatever shady stuff she was doing back in the old house. I wouldn't be surprised if it later turned out her husband moved the family away from the beach they loved so much precisely to get HER away from whatever shady business or relationship she was engaging in. And this is all speculation, I stress. It just seems to be the way the facts line up and make sense in my head. It could be that Summer's hypothesized "lover" or "partner in crime" (terribly overdramatic phrase--sorry) committed this murder without her foreknowledge or consent and then she just panicked and decided to flee with him, because what else was left at that point? Or she could have been coerced.But she doesn't' look "coerced" on that clip. If that is indeed she.

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  75. Thanks, Bill. By the way, tonight at 10:00 PM on the "E" channel, Lisa Ling goes on the hunt for the McStays starting at their house and going down into Mexico to follow leads! Should be revealing! ONJ boyfriend was a musician of some sort - producer or something. Dateline did a story on it a few years ago. They were showing his photo around the little fishing village and you could tell the locals were either "oh, yeah, he lives here" or "never saw him in my life". Enough cash flashed would have rooted him out immediately.

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  76. OMG I gotta run. I'm missing it. THANK YOU, Miss Elaine. I love your blogs. I did a quick bio read and loved the Chupacabra lol! I added your lovely Bluebird to my bloglist...I love the little vignettes although I could only scan a few fast...need to go see this show...Merci.

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  77. OK, Really? Any time anyone says "I'm not lying to you" guess what - they are lying to you. His high school friend who lives in Costa Rica totally knows where they are. Plus the missionary lady who saw them in the Walmart in Merida was very believable and she was positive it was them once she saw the photographs. So now we know they are alive - what are they up to? Lisa Ling did a great job investigating this. I never heard about the husband being so sick. Maybe he found out he is dying and decided to just bail and enjoy life surfing. Thoughts?

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  78. i just saw this case & like i said on another site i think that the one man that said his friends with joey is lying! all the things he said and the way he smiled he just seems to know something!.....maybe he had something to do with it...maybe he is really friends with summer not joey!!! like joeys mom he said that she strongly believe those are the kids on the footage where they are crossing the border but she says that she aslo believes that, is not her son! walking on the video!

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  79. Miss Elaine, thank you so much! That was just amazing. I agree completely. Lisa Ling did an INCREDIBLE job...I mean doing the footwork of going down to Costa Rica and showing those pics to people...that's the way to get somewhere, if there is somewhere to be "gotten." I'm going to do a longer post responding to the show if I'm able to formulate my thoughts. TONS OF INFO I didn't know, and I agree that Joseph's illness (and his panic attacks) are of great significance. But I have to say I'm hearing exactly the sort of things I suspected were true about Summer McStay but had no proof to back it up. The fact the family believed she was 32 when she was 43. The shock of the Joseph's mother at learning of her aliases. The single most interesting fact to me was actually Summer McStay's computer search for homeopathic medicines for ANGER. I had no idea the family had such superabundant resources. Everyone in this economy couldn't believe 100K could be left behind. But look at what they had at their disposal. But the assets lying unused signifies dark. I don't necessarily believe that woman in Merida is right. She came across to me as glib. And I don't believe Joseph McStay would have shaved his head--if that was the family. Even to hide his identity. Unless it had something to do with illness. So this might fit into the "other man" theory I keep leaning towards. I think Summer had a hidden relationship. I really do. And I think she had rage. And terrible things can happen with untreated mental illness. Or she could be a total sociopath. Or anywhere on that spectrum of mental illness (borderline, schizoid). Even a mood disorder can predispose one in messed up circumstances towards really, really bad ideas. I have a mental illness, so don't think I'm equating mental illness with physical violence. But if it's sociopathy, that's a whole other category of being. And they don't play by the rules AT ALL. He's very ill and she's very angry. That's a bad combination.
    The skip tracer pretty much said what I've come to believe: "focus on the wife." All those resources do give credence to the idea that possibly all four are still alive and together. But I still think the scenario which makes the most sense of the facts is Summer absconding and Joseph McStay dead. As much as I hate typing that. And about your theory as to choosing a pleasant place to die--I have known of more than a few Americans who went to Mexico to get alternative medical treatments for life threatening conditions. And many of them were wealthy, educated people like this family. But I can't see Joseph McStay leaving his family hanging. At all. But Summer. It's clear nobody really knew Summer.

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  80. The host of the "E" show was actually Laura Ling (Lisa's sister - they do look and sound very much alike). None of the financials of this family makes sense. Making that much money in a waterfall business, in a recession? Yet they are evicted for non payment of rent, have had bankruptcy recently? Then able to purchase a home, get a loan and lots of cash in the bank? And they are in the loan modification business too? None of it makes sense..unless you factor in Lisa "Summer's" obvious need to hide and facility with changing documents and IDs (getting a new birth cert made?), keeping her kids identities below radar too by home births and no school..also suspicious to me was that she was always filmed with the kids keeping caps on. It is VERY warm (80s) in Fallbrook a lot of the year - even in winter the lows are 60s, so what would kids need to be in woolly caps for?? So she could prepare for them, to cover the birthmark of the one child? And never settling into the house? Dad is having panic attacks and mom leaving obscure clues for someone 'anger' homeopathic? Just a million oddities but drug dealing or witness protection for narco connections.

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  81. Wonder if they will check schools records and registration, in the areas the are believed to be, when oldest boy becomes school age....

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  82. Commenter about school registration: I don't see that happening. Read the comment above yours for the reasons why not.

    Commenter above: don't really think the hats as preparation to hide the birthmark is plausible. I believe I saw the birthmark exposed even with the hat on.

    Witness protection seems not to be a possibility. Although odd to hear Joseph's brother saying maybe they wouldn't "tell" if they were. But if they were someone close to them would have been prosecuted by now and the journalists would have been all over it.

    I've been of a mind for some time now (and said) that I felt Summer was the key to this thing and that whatever happened happened because of something she was doing.

    For the first time tonight the McStays and others finally revealed how disturbing some of Summer's lies and behavior were/are to them. I think they're right in feeling that. It's not normal that you have to learn your daughter in law's age is off by twelve years from INTERPOL.

    I would even wonder whether Summer McStay might be a total sociopath, except I can't really see a sociopath looking up homeopathic remedies for "anger." A sociopath would just feel her anger was justified, I suppose. But that was the single most interesting fact to me. Because it implied to me the anger was at the level of rage. That she feared her own anger. And homeopathic medicine was not the way to go. She probably needed serious psychiatric health. I'm guessing she suffers from a serious mood disorder. I have one myself (bipolar) and untreated it can have serious repercussions. I'm not equating mental illness with violence because I've lived with mental illness almost my entire adult life and I'm not physically violent. But if she has bipolar disorder, borderline personality disorder or is schizoid, she could make a lot of bad decisions. And that could involve affairs or other bad decisions of risk taking.

    But morality is a separate issue from impulsivity. The real question is how trustworthy she really was. And with the strange lying and aliases and all, she might not have been the most trustworthy person and not capable of dealing with the stresses of her family life.

    And how weird were the all the children's playhouses INSIDE the house. I remember that from the DISAPPEARED on ID but they didn't say there were like FIVE of them. That's so surreal.

    I got the sense they were throwing money at the kids to keep them at arm's length while dealing with marriage stresses.

    I think they were breaking apart. And I do believe there's another man there. And that's why the woman saw a guy with a shaved head (if that was even the McStays). Probably because it wasn't Joseph with Summer.

    If Joseph McStay did have lots of cash (his business associate estimates he could have "hundreds of thousands") Summer could easily have taken control of those funds when whatever went down went down. She was smart enough NOT to move the money from the bank later because that would have definitely stepped up the criminal investigation. As it was, she bought a lot of time with the general consensus being "willful disappearance of all."

    I think now people are realizing how unlikely that is...I mean Joseph McStay leaving his family hanging like that. I don't see that happening.

    But stranger things have.

    Thanks for the important correction as to host. I'm going to do another post and I want to credit the right person. She did a wonderful job.

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  83. Every time I travel to Faroffistan with my dive gear, I always ship the heavy stuff ahead so I can go "hands free" on the plane. This explains the missing 4 days,clothes and shoes missing from the house and the film of the McStays just sauntering across the border with no luggage. They spent the 4 days boxing and shipping their stuff to the goofy surf friend in Costa Rica and were unencumbered. Yes, spot on with the skip tracer who wrote the book "How to Disappear" - look at the wife. Can we check with UPS stores near the border? I love the surfer in Costa Rica - he was answering questions she wasn't even asking - guilty much?

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  84. P.S. Correct on the Laura Ling host. She was one of the people held captive in North Korea when they made Bill Clinton come and get her. She's got balls to travel to these dangerous destinations. BTW the production company is owned by Al Gore. Unrelated factoid.

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  85. Miss Elaine. You are a trove of interesting "factoids." I had not idea about that North Korea journalism drama. Nor the Al Gore connection.

    Commenter above Miss Elaine: Gawrsh I hope you're right! It's encouraging to think of this potentially ending with an answer like that! Because I hate thinking Summer (or anyone) would go through "all that work" that a murder requires. :snerk:

    I think you're right that renting a UHAUL isn't the way to go if you're going to disappear. And then maybe they just re-entered America by one of the bazillion untraceable routes and are laughing their asses off reading everybody's news and blog posts in Peoria and saying, "Losers!"

    If so, I think we should at least give them some sort of mild punishment. Really bad tattoos?

    I think the surfer in Costa Rica was just on another planet. Like Costa Rica. :-)

    Thanks for the info that Mr. Skip Tracer wrote a book. I'd buy it, but no doubt the FBI or the Dept. Of Homeland Security would be instantly monitoring me. The monitoring is probably hidden in the assigned UPC code. Wait, I'm watching too many old X FILES reruns. :resnerk:

    So Mr. Skip Tracer is the ONE person on the planet who has a book and doesn't obnoxiously hawk it on t.v.?

    So HE'S the one?

    I formulated my thoughts to last night's program here but I'm not sure I'm not just repeating myself like someone in a Wendy's drive-thru with an overly squawky ordering board.

    http://joebrainardspajamas.blogspot.com/2011/12/e-investigates-laura-ling-examines.html

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  86. Oh Miss Elaine!

    BOTH commenters wuz you!

    Soz!

    I thought that was another one of those ANONYMOUS personhoods!

    I like your sense of language and humor.

    You sound like a true adventurer.

    For me an adventure is walking out the front door of my house.

    Netlandia is unfortunately all too often my destination.

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  87. Just thought of something I may post on the family website. Have they taken a hair sample from the dad from leftover clothing, hairbrush, etc. and had it tested for heavy metals? Arsenic is the poison of choice for black widows ya know.

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  88. Miss Elaine, that is a brilliant idea in my opinion.

    The fact that he was suffering from debilitating illness at such a relatively young age is (at least statistically) unusual.

    And arsenic is indeed a poison of choice, easily commercially available (one can only image how easy online retailers make it--with no ethical compunctions whatsoever).

    And poisoning is a female preference when it comes to murder. No doubt.

    So it could be she got impatient later.

    I've seen many cases where slow administration of arsenic leads to tolerance in the intended victim.

    So some of these people had like 60 x the lethal dose in their bodies.

    But they had tolerance.

    Not that they weren't sick as hell.

    I'm sure you've seen these stories too.

    Investigation Discovery (for one) is filled with them.

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  89. One rethinks things with time (and new information).

    After the Laura Ling E! Investigates focusing on the McStays I posted my thoughts here: http://joebrainardspajamas.blogspot.com/2011/12/e-investigates-laura-ling-examines.html

    Would be interested to hear anyone's read on that most recent show and its new disclosures.

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  90. What caught my attention was when Summer was on the phone with her friend and she was like, who could be at the door at this hour? Then she asked Joe to get it...

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  91. That spooked me too.

    And no explanation was given.

    Obviously nothing went down bad right at that moment.

    But if someone was casing the place...

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  92. Your use of the term "one" when referring to "most people" or "a person" is distracting. Your writing style is not developed enough to use such a formal term. Good analysis. It gives the audience another perspective. It is obvious that you possess great analytical skills.

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  93. Hi. Criticism noted and thanks for the compliment.

    This is an old post.

    I just published my current theory at the top of this blog, and I'm happy to say I now do believe they're all alive, if not well.

    I think Summer McStay is a paranoid schizophrenic.

    This explains a lot...frequent name changes are extremely common in paranoid schizophrenia.

    This explains the home births, the home schooling, the house looking like it did. The five freakin playhouses INSIDE the house, etc.

    This explains why everything looks so irrational. Because an irrational person is controlling everything.

    The article said about living with a paranoid schizophrenic, "It is virtually impossible to have a relationship with a person like this unless you allow him or her to RULE YOU."

    I honestly now believe that's why Joseph McStay is not contacting his family.

    I used to believe she suffered from a mood disorder like bipolar or was schizoid affective. But now it all makes sense to me.

    The name changes aren't criminality.

    I Googled it and it seems like nobody even mentioned that possibility once.

    I'm convinced the wife is paranoid schizophrenic.

    And they are all alive.

    They will be found when they want to be found. Or when they slip up.

    Or when Summer totally crashes and needs to be hospitalized (although I'm sure that would be against her will). But I don't think her husband would dial that number.

    Now I know why he lives with panic attacks.

    Try living in a paranoid schizophrenics world and you'll probably have them too.

    So I've totally gone from the "Evil Summer" to the "Poor Summer!" theory.

    All because I never realized until after the Laura Ling docu that they had such superabundant resources that would make a flight and expatriate life South of the Border totally possible.

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  94. I'm now convinced this is the solution to the mystery of the McStays disappearance.

    And I completely believe they're all alive:
    http://joebrainardspajamas.blogspot.com/2011/12/did-summer-mcstay-suffer-from-paranoid.html

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  95. Also, why do we not hear wailing and gnashing of teeth from Summer's family? Not a peep!! Where is my sister, daughter, auntie - please help us find her - nothing.... Only Joseph's family is involved in the search process. I think her family wants to keep as far away from this as possible.

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  96. Miss Elaine, I have come to the conclusion that this is the case of a woman with serious untreated mental illness.

    Like everyone else apparently has done, I had let the "name changes" or aliases lead me in the direction of criminality.

    I was researching different types of mental illness in conjunction with name changes, and both paranoid schizophrenics and borderline personality disorder sufferers frequently do this...MULTIPLE name changes.

    She would have to have had hallucinations obviously to be schizophrenic--not sure with that incident about the medicine named ANGER which the retailer she called to purchase it from said does not exist (see the MSN article in which detective DuGal gives a lot of info).

    More likely, I suppose, is that she is BPD.

    These people disappear out of their loved ones' lives with no explanation whatsoever...often for very long periods of time.

    And I think Joseph was totally enabling her, protecting her, allowing her to hide.

    That's why she was trying to treat a serious psychological condition with homeopathic medicines. She wouldn't have to enter into therapy...BPD people are terrified of these sorts of contacts. She gave birth at home both times. She home schooled her kids.

    They demonize other people. Probably she has demonized the McStay family.

    About her mother. Possibly she knows her daughter is mentally ill and knows her patterns. Possibly Summer confessed to her they would be leaving. So it would be in bad faith to participate publicly in the search.

    But there's a darker possibility. If she is BPD that's rooted in the family life growing up (unlike schizophrenia which is more likely to be neurochemical only in nature). So there's probably serious childhood trauma.

    BPD people have serious problems with fragmenting identity. Summer, who was of Colombian descent, told people (variously) she was Italian or part Asian.

    It says in descriptions of the condition these people distrust and fear the world.

    But not many of them have the sort of resources the McStay family had which would enable someone to actually indulge the escape from others so completely as they have apparently done.

    But I am happy. Because now I totally believe they are all alive if not exactly well.

    He probably has panic attacks because he indulges her mental illness and fears.

    It says people who stay in relationships with these people have to let them "rule (them)."

    I think that's exactly what we're seeing.

    That house wasn't a mess because they fled.

    That house was a mess because it was severly dysfunctional mental illness going unchecked.

    Everything makes sense to me now because the core of the problem is irrationality itself. Everyone is assuming things should be rational. But if the person (or people) enacting these events are following irrational thought patterns, this is EXACTLY what scenario you get.

    Money + BPD = bad combo.

    I was reading message boards earlier and just one sad story after another about people just seeming to fall off the face of the earth.

    I think her husband just followed her right into her mental illness.

    He must love her very much. And she must be in hell.

    But BPD people are not interested in treatment.

    Oh. And Hi!

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  97. Also, I didn't know they had used drones in the search for bodies.

    This search has gotten some serious resources.

    If they were bodies in that area where their cell phones stopped pinging, I'm assuming these craft (note: "every square inch") would have surely found them:
    http://www.mcstayfamily.com/a-drone-is-being-used-in-the-search

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  98. Ugh.

    The more I think I know about this case...the more confused I feel.

    I watched the E! special and did learn some new things.

    What is bothering me THE MOST is how the area near where the cell phones last pinged has NOT been searched for them! I believe they said it was by the Bonsall bridge, which from what they showed looked like a convenient place to toss a body. The cell phones last pings being in this area seems so significant, how have they not searched that area?!


    Also- what do you think it means that Joseph McStay's phone died the day they disappeared, but Summer's pinged for two days after? Are the cell phones with the bodies near Bonsall bridge, or do you think the McStay's tossed their phones out of the car because they didn't want to be traced?

    This case drives me crazy, so I can only imagine how the family must feel.

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  99. oh one more thing!


    We have heard time and time again how Joseph's last phone call was to his business partner.

    Why have we not heard ONCE what the call was about? I don't understand why that information hasn't been revealed. What did the business partner say the call was about? I know he doesn't like talking to the media but surely he had to talk to the police.

    Your comment above makes sense. I do think Summer was unstable.

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  100. I find it very interesting that JM was sick in some way? What if Summer was doing something to him? That is a control or a way to make him dependant on her.JM looked a little old for 40 IMO Maybe poisoned? It is and has been all about Summer. Summer is the key to all the mysteries. Summer seems like a very sick person. I think her family has a pretty good idea as to what happened. It seems like nobody really knew this family.

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  101. I really feel for the 15 year old son. I don't know how many victims there are but he surely is one.

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  102. Commenters: re poisoning, read above. A commenter makes the excellent suggestion of checking any of Joseph's hair left behind on clothing for poisons (like arsenic, which leave traces in hair).

    Sometimes people with illness will go to Mexico for unconventional treatments. But it still doesn't explain why the other three would just vanish, even if he was sick, even if he died of an illness. Not that I sick he died of an illness. I believe they're all alive and in hiding due to paranoia. I think this case is all about mental illness and that Summer McStay suffers from a serious mental illness and is controlling what happens (either paranoid schizophrenia or more likely borderline personality disorder).

    Commenter about the last "business call." That troubles all of us who read about the case. But no way of knowing. I suppose he told police and they chose not to release that information. Possibly what he SAID it was about (and no way to verify what he tells the police is true, they have only the LENGTH of the call, not its content, recorded--I'm assuming Chase Merrit?) was something totally innocuous.

    If they were deliberately leaving, it does bother me (but only a little) that they most likely tossed their phones in the Bonsall area. But I suppose any way a cell phone goes dead is going to look suspicious, so might as well be there as anywhere.

    I read that area was supposed to be searched by a military drone plane, which can search "every square inch" of terrain from the area, and has an excellent history of finding bodies (dead and alive) in the past.

    If that intended search was done, it should have located any bodies if they were there. Especially if there were four. So I don't believe they were killed and their bodies thrown in that Bonsall borderline area.

    I think they moved on from that area and did indeed enter Mexico. And we did indeed seem them on the video of the crossing just as we saw their car leaving the house that evening on the neighbor's video.

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  103. I've been kinda obsessed with this case since I watched Disappeared...tonight I watched the E! special that I dvr'd...I read a lot of comments on here but not all so I'm not 100% sure if this theory has been stated:

    This may seem far-fetched, but considering how strange every aspect of this story is, it may be VERY feasable. What about the possibility that either Joseph or Summer (or both) work/worked for the CIA as agents? Possibly a cover was blown & they were told to defect immediately...I know that seems very Hollywood but things like this DO happen, we just don't hear about it for obvious reasons... I always got the sense that law enforcement didn't take this case as serious as they should...certain leads were never fully investigated or at least not disclosed to the public... I always felt that Summer was the shady one - b/c of the aliases & the lying about her age... Obviously there's a lot more to her than we know about...but I do strongly believe that these 2 were possibly operatives for the CIA... & if so, they will never be found...

    If this is not the case then I definitely think they got themselves into some trouble & left on their own without being forced.

    I never considered the theory that Summer couldve had Joseph killed & walked over the boarder w/ another man - I don't feel this is what happened but then again who really knows!? I do agree that the boarder video tape DOES look like Summer & the boys - & the man did look skinnier than other footage shown of Joseph so this could be possible but for some reason I just dont think so...

    It drives me crazy! I don't think we'll ever know but I'm happy I found this site to share my obsession with! I am very big into researching missing person cases & feel I have a sourt of "gift" for feeling out scenarios & being able to get a sense of what happened but this case just boggles my mind!

    -Nicole Staten Island, NY

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  104. And Hi Pearl! Thanks for your comments and thoughts on this case, and to the anonymous commenters who added their thoughts.

    I'm happy to say I honestly now believe they are all alive again after that Laura Ling documentary. The facts before that tended to make me look at the case in a very dire light, but with the new revelations I really, really believe this is all about mental illness and some wrong ideas in Summer's head.

    Borderline personality disorder (and paranoid schizophrenia) are terrible diseases, especially when untreated.

    This is exactly what people with BPD do. They disappear. And they say absolutely nothing and their loved ones are all left hanging--often for periods of time as long as this thing has gone on.

    I just think in this case she managed to convince her husband (or forced a promise from him) that he would honor her irrational beliefs and contact nobody.

    That's why the house looked the way it did.

    It was no flight.

    It was the gradual erosion of sanity.

    She was having serious trouble keeping the household in order because she was having trouble keeping her mind in order.

    I honestly believe there is no killer or killers.

    There is no one dead.

    There is a living hell on earth that is mental illness and they are fleeing to try to make things better.

    I hope they get better. Whether it takes medication or not.

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  105. The more I watched that Lisa Ling investigation, the more fearful I became for this family. I've considered all theories but nothing sticks with me more than that video of them supposedly crossing the border.... If its not any of them, then it is a huge coincidence to capture that footage at that point in time. i think we should focus on these clues that are seemingly illogical. . and are screaming shady/foulplay: the strange knock at the door in the middle of one night before they went missing.. the very sudden way they lost contact with everyone except the BUSINESS PARTNER.. Abandoning their home, pets, savings, their mode of transportation AND someone's medicationn?? And of course the four days their activity was unaccounted for prior to finding their vehicle. These people didn't just up and move to Mexico ! Something happened to them and I doubt if they are all alive and well. The human traffic theory is really jumping out at me. Somehow watching that video I feel like that may have been the boys but not the parents. :( Whether this was involuntary or not seems to be the question

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  106. Hi. Thanks for your comment. I agree about too much of a coincidence for the video not to be them.

    Even if 100,000 people go through that crossing daily.

    How many of them are wearing furry Ugg boots. I'm guessing probably one. Summer McStay.

    And those distinctive hats. They were big in the nineties but not in 2010 when the video was shot. I forget what they're called...Nepalese? Tibetan?

    I think Joey looks different and this confused even his own mother because he had already shaved his head (the man believed by that one woman to be Joseph, whom she saw in the Merida Walmart had a shaved head) and this is why his silhouette (the only way we see him in the video) is slightly "off."

    Medication can easily be purchased in Mexico. They probably just forgot it.

    They were holed up in some hotel/motel for four days before the crossing over.

    That's why they brought the toys--to keep the kids entertained and calm.

    I think they did just up and move to either Mexico or a point further South.

    Did you hear in the documentary that he owns land down there, off the coast of South America. That his employee said he could easily be carrying hundreds of thousands in cash.

    I think this is all about Summer having a mental illness and Joseph trying to keep her feeling safe and happy.

    This is what people suffering from BPD often do. They mystifyingly vanish out of others' lives with no explanation.

    I've been reading message boards tonight and it freaks the hell out of the loved ones when BPD people do their vanishing act (because they've become irrationally convinced someone should not be in their lives).

    I'm not making this stuff up. Read it online if you don't believe me.

    I think it's totally mental illness. This is probably why Joseph McStay is suffering panic attacks.

    Living that life would be hell.

    It's why the house looked the way it did.

    It wasn't all slovenly and bizarre (FIVE playhouses of the sort that go in the backyard INSIDE the house).

    People with BPD will often change their names multiple times. I never knew that until very recently, researching "name changes" to get a clue. I too only thought that aliases like that meant one thing: criminality. But actually, no. Name changes will often be seen in BPD people...it's all about an unstable sense of identity...just as she kept changing her ethnicity/background and even changed her AGE.

    Human trafficking doesn't really fit with the facts.

    And they'd probably want blond(e), blue-eyed kids if they were kidnapping.

    I totally think it is the parents in the video.

    Even though 100,000 people cross that border each day, I'm guessing Summer McStay was one of only a handful of people wearing furry Ugg boots.

    And then if you narrowed it down to a person wearing furry Ugg boots crossing with a man and two children, it would narrows those odds down even more.

    I'm convinced they're alive and this flight was caused by mental illness.

    I don't think they're criminals or in Witness Protection or CIA agents or any of that stuff.

    They are hiding because S.M. only feels safe hidden right now. And I'd bet when they're finally found or come out of hiding she has BPD or is paranoid schizophrenic.

    But if I'm right about her having BPD and social interaction is something that terrifies these people, imagine how much MORE she'd want to hide now that an entire country is looking for her.

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  107. And Hi Mimi. Thanks for the thoughtful input.

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  108. My man and I had a good conversation over dinner last night and I mentioned your theory of bipolar/schizoid personality disorders. He volunteered that his ex-wife once insisted that they "get out" because "something bad" was going to happen and made him drive her and the kid to her mom's house hundreds of miles away. Of course, nothing bad happened, but it is interesting. She also did home birth and claimed she could "read his mind". Just sayin' Also, you know Randy Quaid's wife Evie made him run away to Canada (they are still there) because she knew someone was out to kill them. She pretty much controls him and no one can get through to him. If you've ever read about her - she's nuts. So, it will be interesting to finally see who's right - me with the arsenic theory (which I mentioned to Mike McStay) or you with the let's run away cause I'm crazy theory.

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  109. Miss Elaine, you make me giggle with your manner of expression. You know how to ironically torque a sentence lol. You know a lot about the dark sides of celebrities! I never heard that about R.Q. What's really freakin ironic is I have an online friend I've communicated with for years who I think just did the same thing as the McStays. She's always told me she's bipolar like me, but over the last few years communicating with her, I really came to the conclusion she is BPD. We'd just been exchanging several emails and day and she just suddenly totally vanished. I begged her in emails just to let me know she's alright and not dead (like the dead can tell you they're dead) or hospitalized or just not into social interaction right now. Because it wasn't an intense type of communications like, "God I need you so bad right now!" We were pretty casual and just liked trying to make each other's day a little better. But no response. And I reread like my last email to her and hers to me many times to see if I said something stupid, but my last email is a banal, neutral one and hers was one in which she alluded to the fact that we had reached the point where we understood each other and how we get dysfunctional or paranoid jags and that we both know by now not to stress those things but float over them (paraphrasing). And then she vanishes. Maybe she is hospitalized or something but I don't think so. I think I've seen my first BPD "disappearing act." She hasn't talked to her parents in many, many years. (If you read this, friend I'm talking about, don't freak out, nobody knows I'm talking about you except you!) I miss her, but I've stopped worrying because I believe it's just a BPD thing. They tend to reappear six months or 2 years or whatever later. Sometimes they don't though, I suppose. Mental health isn't the kiddie pool, that's for sure. I could never understand why my friend would create a beautiful and intelligent FACEBOOK page, gather up 1000 caring friends and then delete it overnight. And then start again a week or a month later. And do the same thing with blogs. Constantly changing her online name and jags of intense anger and paranoia sometimes in comments posted to people online. She's freaked out that Google remembers things and she's always telling me things that let me know she studies how technology can monitor her obsessively. She's classic Borderline. I've never seen her manic like we bipolars get. All you'd have to do to know I'm bipolar is to hear my pressured speech when I'm on a long manic jag. But both she and I are harmless. Except to ourselves. So I hope she feels safe enough to talk to me again soon. But what can you do.

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  110. Just heard about this case because of e. My take is they could have easily had a stash of money which is not hard, a lot of people have an untraceable stash of money. I think one of 2 things happened they are dead in a ditch where the phones where last pinged or they are hiding out in costa rica on the run from something they did or someone. I lean towards hiding in costa rica. I had 2 questions after the e story maybe someone can answer.

    1. why did no one search the area off the one bridge where their cells were last pinged?

    2.Who was the meeting with that night? I wonder because could this have set this all in motion and they had to flee.

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  111. although most the evidence points to the McSays leaving their home willing that Thurs night that does not mean something did not happen later that evening. Living off the grid gets harder every year, and is even harder with small children. I am an accountant and go by the %. The percentages say they are no longer alive. The only thing that make me think they did make it to Mexico alive is the check in at the motel near the restaurant they might have eaten at. However, that is probably a scam by someone. It is hard for me to belive Mr. McStays fountain business was doing gangbusters after Oct 2008. He either built the cadiliac of fountains or was the luckiest guy in the western united states.

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  112. I just saw this story on E!. I am also wondering why the area off of the bridge where their cellphones were traced were not searched?

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  113. Last commenter. The Bonsall area you're referring to was not only searched...it was searched by a military drone plane, which can scan "every square inch" of vast areas of terrain.

    It has proven record of finding bodies, both living and dead.

    And if they're were four bodies there, or two, or even one, they or it would most likely have been found.

    They moved on from there.

    They made it across the border.

    They are probably in South America. Near a gorgeous beach.

    But I doubt they're happy.

    Because I really believe S.M. suffers from serious mental illnes--most likely borderline personality disorder.

    See my other post on that if you care to see this theory defended.

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  114. Oh, and further (slight) evidence that maybe Joseph wasn't as close to the rest of his family as people generally want to believe is that eleven days elapsed before M.M. contacted the police.

    I'm not implying it means anything negative or sinister.

    But it could indicate a feeling of detachment or indifference to them.

    Because if he or she talked to them everyday, I think we would have seen the warning alarms triggered MUCH earlier.

    Just a thought.

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  115. Mr. Keckler: You are basing everything on Mrs. McStay having a seriou illness. There has been very little if any evidence to this. Just because you change your name, fib about your age and leave your house messy while doing renovations and painting does not a mental illness make! She was asking about a drug anger - we do not know if it was for her. Another thought not all men would leave their life because their spouse had gotten paranoid. Just because Randy Quaid did.....didnt he get arrested in LA for squating in someones house?? He isnt the stable of individuals. Some husbands with small children would see the need for their loved one to get help.
    The facts are: 98% of all people that go missing like this are not alive. I personally do not think he had that much of a stash. The police said they checked their finances and everything was accounted for. He would have had to put a decent down payment on the new house. Also, if you check court records you would know he filed for bankrupsy in 2004 or 2005. Guess he wasnt as great with money as his brother would have you think. A bit of story for your thought: In Florida 10 years ago a family went missing poof gone. Police could not come up with one lead not one. 8 years later there was a drought and this family's car was found at the bottom of a ravine with all bodies inside. I know you are all thinking the McStays car was found. That is not the point to my story. Things happen that are never explained, or explained years laater.

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  116. COMMENT CONTINUED BELOW...

    You can keep the business in place and watch it slowly die while you throw good money after bad, or you can get the hell out of Dodge, give your wife the ultimate retreat from society she's been begging to have for years, and keep all that money and not have to declare it on income tax.

    Hence the 100,000 left behind. Just in case the IRS gets cagey about any dangling finances or taxes left behind. They can plead that there is the next tax return. But if they are NOT found, they neither have to face the IRS about any money that never landed on an income tax return nor deal with the repercussions of their bankruptcy (which I did know about--I have several posts on this family and the mystery). And how many years will it be until they don't even have to file that income tax anymore? They only have to hide what? Seven years? Ten?

    And then I'm guessing they can just swoop that money up.

    Because my guess is if they can last that long in hiding, there is no retroactive clause for tax evasion prosecution.

    These are much smarter people than most people give them credit for. They understand money completely. Both of them.

    But I still stick with my claim that she's suffering from BPD and this is what contoured the relationship in the direction of the flight scenario. Because that sudden move to the new house and then the sudden abandonment indicates they were thinking another direction, but changed their plans.

    Suddenly, J.M. had his own surprise reasons to follow his wife's intuition--once he saw the economy going south.

    And now they are living modestly and enjoying a very isolated stretch of peace and enjoying lovely dinners.

    They're not lying in any ditch.

    But my how their plans have been messed up by Investigation Discovery.

    He had his own reasons for doing this.

    But you need two people willing to disappear for this to happen.

    These aren't your everday middleclass Americans. Not by a longshot.

    Everyday Americans don't usually own land on an island off the coast of Costa Rica.

    These are two smart cookies.

    But I do believe she's mentally ill and that it's borderline personality disorder.

    Those people love to pull the "disappearing act." Go on a BPD message board if you don't believe me.

    It drives others (family members, etc.) crazy.

    To speak in Valley talk: They are sooo not dead.

    But they're going to find it hard to stay hidden with the way this case is exploding through international media now.

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  117. There was a beginning to that post but Blogger ate it...it was more a defense of why I believe Summer McStay suffers from either borderline personality disorder (or--less likely but possible--paranoid schizophrenia). It's not just the reasons you sounded back off me--if you read my post about just that speculation there are other reasons. The home birth AND home schooling thing is another big clue. What percentage of Americans do you think home birth anymore? And then home school? Her friends called her a "hermit." That's not normal behavior. I don't think J.M. has that much problem with indulging S.M. in her antisocial leanings. I think they're by nature very private people. Maybe they always wanted exactly this...to run away to a beautiful beach life. That fits with all the facts we see too. One of the few facts that doesn't fit is buying that other house. But I put that down to the whole "let's change the setting and the problems will go away" scenario.
    No wonder J.M. was having panic attacks. This is a big scary step they knew they were going to be taking. But they pulled it off. Bully for them.

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  118. Hello! Just getting involved tonight- saw the E! special earlier and have been unable to pry myself away from the computer. First off, Joey McStay still has a FB page with visible posts ending in January '09 and 93 friends. I think the key is Summer. Something does not match up and she gives me an eery feeling.
    -home videos
    -detachment
    -she seems a bit messy/unorganized-- is she depressed?
    -researching herbal anger medication
    -one of the specials mentions she is possessive and in the past, has yelled at her mother-in-law saying something along the lines "you're not one of the four"
    -if I'm not mistaken, one of her sons is named Joseph. Joey Senior's oldest son from a previous marriage is also named Joseph. This strikes me as odd. Almost possessive, like trying to form her perfect family and the previous marriage's son is a blemish or doesn't count
    -obviously the name changing/age lies.
    -she just seems obsessed with achieving that perfect family and life-- or at least the image of one

    Perhaps she has some sort of serious mental illness- schizophrenia? bipolar? I really have no idea what actually happened, it's so hard to begin to guess because nothing really adds up.. but i do feel like the biggest lead would be to first figure out summer's deal.

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  119. ah shoot, just saw your post about borderline! didn't read that before my previous post. definitely agree with you

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  120. Oh...and they disappeared in February. Tax filing deadline was coming up in April.

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  121. Hi commenters. Thanks for your commenters. Anonymous person who said she yelled "You're not one of the four." This fascinates me because it completely fits in with my theory. Where did you see that? Can you please link me to the video or tell me where you are getting that quote from?

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  122. hello- that would be me. it was in the E! special, Vanished (I'm pretty sure that's the name of it- I've watched multiple videos on it today). McStay's Mom mentions that briefly and says that she didn't even include Joe's first son (also Joe.. 2/3 of their kids are named Joseph..) in the perfect "four."

    sidenote--she was rather old by america's standards (and health standards) to start having kids in her late 30s. I'd like to know more about her first husband.
    -allie

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  123. I do not know about the yelling. But it was reported on E investigates (from JM's mother) that the wife told her you're not one of the four.

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  124. I missed a few moments only of that program, but I must have missed that part. Because I watched that documentary, Allie, and found it fascinating.

    That's what led me to believe that Summer suffers from borderline personality disorder. I have a post on the blog (linked above) where I speculate that "only the four of them can exist." And I wrote that not having had the benefit of hearing her mother-in-law say that.

    How many more clues to people need to realize this is the case of people who wanted to pull away from everyone and be completely to themselves.

    I think Summer was the driving force lobbying Joseph in favor of the move.

    But I think when the economy tanked and they filed those bankruptcies, Joseph had his own reasons for cutting his losses and running too.

    He was smart enough to go liquid and keep cash. And they left before tax time hit so they didn't have to file that year.

    Smart cookies.

    Their bankrupty will clear in what? Seven years? And they left 100K behind so the IRS can't say they didn't leave assets for paying off taxes or whatever.

    But clearly they won't be paying taxes.

    My question is would tax evasion prosecution by retroactive? Does it expire after a certain number of years...like ten years after the filing date are they clear?

    If not, they probably planned to disappear permanently.

    If it falls off eventually, they might be planning to return at that time.

    I truly believe they're all alive.

    As to not contacting the other McStays. It could be bad blood. They're not going to tell us about that on any show. More than likely it's Summer experiencing BPD "splitting" and demonizing them in her mind.

    But then Joseph has his own reasons for not contacting his family. If they say he's alive, he's going to have to pay taxes and answer to his apparently messy finances.

    They probably figured they'd just disappear and it would blow over eventually.

    I'm sure they never figured they'd drive people in many countries crazy trying to figure out what really happened.

    They must be completely horrified.

    Because it's going to be so hard now for them to pull this off.

    If Summer is BPD as I believe this is gonna just push her to the brink (if she knows the level of publicity the case is getting). Because the last thing she wants is other people in her life.

    And know her "hermiting" is going to be very hard to do. For years anyway.

    But there are still some pretty isolated places in South America where you can hole up.

    But Westerners go virtually everywhere today, and Westerners stand a chance of recognizing them. Especially if the posters are getting spread around and any South American networks have given the case coverage.

    Not sure about that latter one.

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  125. If the IRS has an incling the McStays are still alive, they will file a tax return for them - in which case there is no statue of limitations for the taxes. Also, the IRS can then put out a warrent for their arrest for tax evation in the US which can have them extradited from most country's. However, I do not think the IRS is intersted in the McStays until they read this blog that is :). Besides that is the least of their problems if they are wanting to leave their life in the US behind - if they change their minds and what to come home (say for instance one of the children gets really sick) they are going to have some answering to do. They will have to go through the state department to get back in, as with everything government (moreso since 9/11). If they try to get back in they will have broken the law by leaving the country without proper documentaion to get back in.

    I know you think they are around somewhere in South America. It is so hard to go anywhere these days without someone snapping a photo, or picking up the phone and saying they have seen them.

    About the land in costa rico, Laura Ling interviewed a school friend of JM who was a realitor somewhere in central america. It is possible he advised JM to buy land in Costa Rico to get rid of liquid assets at some point. Laura Ling did not say anything about when the land was purchased, did she?

    Lastly, with no bodies it will take years before they can be pronounced deceased. So, the IRS could freeze the funds if there are missing tax returns etc.

    One last thougt since you seem to think McStays just up and left; Why would you leave 100K behind, why not 25K. 25K is still enough to make people think they were obducted. If you never planned on coming back, with months of preperation you would take every penny you could. Leaving the funds for JM's other son makes no sence. A life insurance policy would have been a better way to assure he got funds! Using valuable cash to buy a new house even if the down was only 10K makes no sence. Unless the police are not saying - there is no evidence of Money being wired to a bank in another country - do you know how much 300K weighs? Alot even if it was all in 100's. Plus they would have had to exchange US dollars. There is no evidence this was done. Also it is very dangerous as a "gringo" in Mexico to be moving around with all that cash. The cirtainly did not camp in Mexico. I also find it hard to belive they stayed in a real dump of a motel at night, that would be so unsafe. So they would have stayed at fairly decent places.... that means research from the US........that means internet searches and phone calls. There is no mention of this.

    This family was not worried about the IRS, they were worried about something else, in a nightly news spot shortly after they went missing they said he ordered a lot of his foutains from mexico............maybe something accidently showed up in one of those fountains?????? Again, I remind everyone...people go missing every day and only 2% are found alive.

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  126. Hi. Thanks for your comments. I think you thought very minutely about some of the particulars of the case, but not everything you say is equally convincing to me.

    Are you certain about the indefinite retroactive tax prosecution? If so, could you link to a verification?

    With life insurance, it's usually 7 years before they pay out. But they will make exceptions and do it earlier sometimes if 1) the evidence seems to point STRONGLY in the direction of death (which I don't think it does here at all) and 2) there has been a memorial service held for the "deceased."

    If you see any other McStays trying to jump the gun or speed the plough on #2, I would say it appears suspicious. But I don't think we will see that.

    As the question of the weight of cash, I just researched this. A U.S. one hundred dollar bill weighs one gram. 300K would be 3,000 of these bills.

    Answer: 3000 g = 6.61386 lb
    OR 6 lb and 9.82 oz

    6 pounds is nothing.

    Whereas I used to think the four days before crossing over into Mexico were spent disposing of a body, I now believe they were liquefying assets and moving money. They might have even been using courier services, but if they were my guess is they would avoided Fed-Ex and DHL--all the big name ones.

    Has the FBI checked all the courier services for ALL of the woman nee Summer Aranda's known aliases? Are there any Mexican courier services (or other international ones) that are allowed to ship internationally out of that part of the U.S. I've never heard of any, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. And of course, Western Union. All the avenues of wiring. But if there's as smart as they appear to me, they might have bought some more fake identities just for these purposes and then cashier them out immediately after.

    Money gives people ideas. Shitloads of money give people shitloads of ideas. On how they can keep that money.

    I don't buy your 2% figure on the missing turning up deceased. Maybe you're basing that on longterm disappearance. Because millions of kids get "missing persons" reports filed and they're not dead. They're pissed at their parents, runaways, etc. But maybe you just needed to source that and state the qualifications for what sort of missing=dead came out at 2%

    I think they left 100K instead of 25K for a reason. They were covering more than just the debts, taxes, we know about.

    I'm guessing you're probably dead on about the new post 9/11 restrictions on getting back into the country. No doubt.

    The govt probably hates that we're even so loose and easy about people leaving the country but with 100K people going through that "turnstile" the McStays went through in one day, you can see why they make that deal with the devil. Plus Mexico probably can't be arsed doing that.

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  127. I sort of indulged the more suspect side of things with that last comment. I still think this is most likely an issue of a woman suffering from borderline personality disorder and her husband indulging irrational ideas, but if I humor the criminal coloration of ideas for a moment--

    I began thinking the move to that new and quickly abandoned house (for which you say the paid more than appraisal?!? verified?) was just another irrational "solution" to mental health issues (escape) but clearly it was Joseph and NOT Summer who wanted that move.

    And to indulge the "other" side of the theories, the darker side, I never did ask cui bono ("to whose benefit"). Who brokered this sale? It wasn't one of their friends or personal acquaintances was it? It seems unlikely they were the beneficiaries (it looks like total loss) and I doubt they would do a favor this "big" for a friend when they knew they were planning on taking off. That would be just dumb.

    But never hurts to ask dumb questions. Was it a total stranger who brokered that deal?

    I ask simply because you said they overpaid (if that's true). Because if true, I would find that suspicious.

    Because they seem very money-conscious otherwise.

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  128. I had looked this up-

    "Any person who willfully attempts in any manner to evade or defeat any tax imposed by this title or the payment thereof shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $100,000 ($500,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both, together with the costs of prosecution"

    That might explain why they have left 100k behind. Most people would cash out first, then take off. They seem to me, to be very smart individuals.

    Also, I understand with that abundance of money in the bank, remaining untouched for an extended period of time would gain interest. So if they come back, which they probably won't for a long time... they will have more than 100 thousand to come back to.

    So lets say, if his bank had a 6% interest rate, that 6,000 dollars a year.

    Let say they don't come back for ten years... that's 60,000 dollars extra added on top of the 100 thousand. Different banks have different interest rates though. It could be higher. That's if the IRS doesn't take that money first.

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  129. Crystal, thanks for sharing that so people can read it.

    It was totally naive of me to think the I.R.S. would let people get away with playing the waiting game when it comes to dodging taxes.

    And it is indeed curious that the amount left behind matches up so well with the penalty (the high end at that). Probably the penalty would be much less.

    And about the interest.

    Possibly they only planned to hide out for a year or two.

    What freaks me out is either Summer's strange misrepresentations and avoidance of doctors, dentists, etc. points in the direction of criminality (someone trying to stay below the radar) or else it's mental illness (most likely Borderline Personality Disorder).

    I tend to lean towards the mental illness theory. Because BPD people "demonize" others. Suddenly loved ones can be seen as "evil." And they are known for disappearing with no explanations.

    Her husband could have simply loved her enough to go along with her delusional thinking. Maybe she elicited a promise from him not to communicate with his parents under threat of divorce or of taking the children.

    Or maybe there's bad blood there we don't know about. It's not like they would tell us that in their interviews in the media.

    I do believe they're all alive.

    Until recently I thought three of them were, but I wasn't sure about Joseph.

    But now I think the disappearance is Summer's idea but planned by Joseph.

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  130. Just saw this last night on E. I wanted to bring up a couple points that were not addressed on the show or by any of these posts.

    If in fact that was the McStay family captured on video crossing into Mexico, they were obviously planning a short excursion because they weren't carrying anything more than a purse and a small bag. I know I used to at least carry a backpack on my day trips to Mexico. It was also mentioned that Joseph McStay left his asthma meds behind in the car. Again, obviously not planning to be long.

    I don't care how crafty a someone is, but if you were planning to disappear and heading to a foreign country, you would atleast bring minimal baggage, money, and supplies. They had nothing. And I'm not really buying the whole IRS argument with the cash. People who are that self-aborbed that would choose to disappear and let their loved ones think they're dead, are also too selfish to leave behind $100k to take care of their business. That's too much money to leave behind. They would need that if starting over somewhere.

    Everything seems to suggest that they suddenly left and were planning on a short excursion in Mexico, and perhaps met their fate there. I'm guessing, as previously suggested by a couple posters, that the McStays had some business dealings in Mexico, that perhaps Joseph got a hot lead on a business opportunity and required immediately departure. It also suggests that this opportunity was shady and possibly illegal, because they wanted to throw people off as to where they were going, which is probably why they abandoned their car so far from the border (rather than just parking at the border as most tourists do). They didn't bring anything with them because they didn't think they'd be staying long. The real mystery is where they were and what happend during those 4 days before they crossed the border. Again, probably shady or illegal dealngs.

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  131. Hi, Thanks for your comment. Actually, the points you bring up were all brought up by other commenters elsewhere on this blog. At this point, I'm basically divided between two theories 1) Summer McStay suffers from borderline personality disorder and this is all about mental illness or 2) Joseph McStay was murdered that first night near Bonsall (or taken from that point and killed) and Summer is now travelling with her children and another man. I think they could have liquidated other assets and possibly sent them on ahead to Mexico or points futher south via courier services using fake i.d.'s and aliases. You don't need to carry the money with you across the border. If they are even that organized. But so many things look like mental illness in this case (see my posting on Summer McStay and the BPD theory if you care to) that I lean more in that direction. But the biggest evidence for a possible "other" man is the fact that they make this big move away from the San Diego area and suddenly this all goes down. It could be that Summer (or Summer and this posited other man) were quite unhappy with this sudden distance and this triggered something horrible that went down. I do hope it's just B.P.D.. Because S.M. had serious signs of that. And those people do disappear without a word quite often out of families' lives. The phenomenon is called "splitting." (Not splitting as in "leaving"). It's that they suddenly demonize people (people are "all good" or "all bad") and this fear triggers flight. And these flights can last great periods of time.

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  132. And I don't see them taking their kids into Mexico at night for some "shady dealings." Unless they're not coming back anytime soon.

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  133. I watched the E special last night, Does it seem hard to believe he would leave his oldest son- from a previous marriage?

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  134. I think the only way JM would leave his oldest son is to protect his younger sons, perhaps his leaving also protects the oldest as well. Something bad was happening, either real or in someone's head. Moo....

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  135. Here's a creepy story - Timothy Medsker, his wife Sabrina and baby Joshua went missing in Michigan on February 12. Nothing was taken from the house - clothes, baby stuff, same as the McStays. Only their truck is missing. Alien abductions now? Maybe just coincidence, but its the same scenario as the McStay's. Just sayin'. Full story on Daily Mail UK.

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  136. I'll have to read and video up on that one, Miss Elaine! New to me. Hope all's well with you and yours!

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  137. I know - I researched it a bit, but like the McStays, there is just confusion by the family over WTF? They have ties in Orlando, so there is a piece in that paper and other places they have lived seeking help. Police are saying "left voluntarily" but his customers have been calling to find out why he hasn't shown up for work, etc. No phone calls to the family and don't answer their cell phones. I'm definitely thinking alien abduction now. :)

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  138. Hey, stop blaming everything on Mexican immigrants! ;-)

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  139. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. I was thinking more of the little green variety sucking them up into a spaceship. I mean, really - how many people are just disappearing that we haven't heard about?

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  140. Oh, the little green men! I hope they give the crew and passengers of the Marie Celeste back soon! I think some families might have realized how much money has been made off the McStay disappeearance by now (millions doubtless, and the reward is still...wait for it...one thousand bucks). Create a mystery disappearance while you hide out a little while. Set up a family website and accept donations. Entertain "any reasonable offer" (actual quote) to produce shows on your "missing" loved ones. Etc. Etc. The new way to get rich in a shitty economy. Disappearing is the new living large.

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  141. Well, the guy called his relatives and said they were "fine" and to stop looking for them. No word on the baby or wife. They were a very secretive family - who knows what goes on in these people's brains?

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  142. New note: Look at the family website under guestbook. On March 7, someone mentions that he was in Mexico a month previous and saw a surfer dude that was a dead ringer for the Dad. He said he was in San Pedro. There are two San Pedros in Mexico but more importantly, there is a San Pedro on Ambergis Caye in Belize where Joseph McStay owns land. San Pedro, Belize is a stone's throw from the Mexican border in southern Quintana Roo. What really puzzles me is that no one, and I mean no one, has commented on that guy's posting. Seems VERY significant to me.

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  143. Thanks for sharing this. It could be a promising lead. Or it could just be a jokester having fun after having watched that documentary, which was seen by millions. I don't know about you, but if I were that guy I would have walked right up to the "surfer dude" and said "Joey!! How the hell ya been?! Talk to your Mom lately?" And I think his reaction would have given it away. Whether he was the genuine article.

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  144. I heard for the first time last week that Mike McStay was Joey's stepbrother and that Patrick Mcstay was Joey's stepfather. I had no idea that they were not biologically related, which surprised me because I have been following this case for quite some time. This makes me raise my eyebrows to the rumors that Mike McStay was jealous of his brother...his stepbrother that is

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  145. Joey was adopted by Patrick McStay when Joey was a young teen. So this makes me wonder- who is Joey's real father?

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  146. They are biologically related as they share the same mother so they’re not step brothers. They’re half brothers

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  147. Patrick is still in custody next court date beginning of May.

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  148. Hi Anonymous @ 2:32. I appreciate the info, but even though I'm posting it I'm taking ti cum grano salis since you don't source the statement. Cum grano salis is Latin for "this has about as much worth as a dog turd." (Okay, it's a grain of salt, but dog turd is better in English). Could you tell me how you "know" this. Or is this someone bullshitting.

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  149. http://www.bossiersheriff.com/inmate-search/?fname=patrick&lname=mcstay&submit=submit&x=0&y=0
    Passing worthless checks

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  150. Thanks. Someone else left a comment on a different post on this blog about bail being made, contradicting others who have said he was extradited to LA. In what you linked me to, he had a Louisiana address but it looks like the legal stuff went down in Spring, TX.

    I should stress I don't think this has anything to do with the disappearance of the other McStays and would point out these charges are the garden variety "writing bad checks" type charges.

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