Wednesday, March 16, 2011

McStay Family Update / Nancy Grace

Update to this post dated 1/31/2012: I have not been able to verify Patrick McStay's current status. Numerous people have left comments stating he was successfully extradited from Texas to New Orleans to face charges on alleged financial improprieties. I've heard conflicting reports about whether or not he posted bail. Most seemed to think he was still being held, which makes me wonder if bail was set prohibitively high since he had previously been a fugitive with regard to the Louisiana warrant. If anyone has media or press confirmation (please don't leave any unsourced comments or I'll just delete them) as to his current status I'd be interested to hear. Also, if anyone knows the exact nature of the charges or if any additional charges have been filed--particularly if any of these charges were related to the McStay family disappearance. I'm doubting the latter is the case and am leaning towards the idea that P.M.'s legal woes are probably separate problems from any problems which might have been the reason for the McStays' disappearance. But we will see what we will see, I guess. For the record, as of this date, I believe the McStays are all alive and well, and that they disappeared of their own volition. For my reasons regarding this, just go to the homepage of this blog and look at the left hand side for the most read blog posts on this site and you'll see several other posts I did exploring several diverse theories which I feel are plausible explanations of the reasons for the family's disappearance.


12/28/2011 MCSTAYS UPDATE: I just put these two things together tonight: Does this creep you out the way it creeped me out?

IMPORTANT UPDATE ON MCSTAYS CASE: PATRICK ROBERT MCSTAY SOUGHT BY LOUISIANA LAW ENFORCMENT: WARRANT ISSUED. This might be the key to solving the mystery of the McStays' disappearance. Or it may prove to be unrelated.

PREFACE: I now thoroughly believe this is the solution to the McStay family disappearance and I'm happy to say I believe they are all alive, if not totally well: I believe this explains why this case seems to so irrational and seems not to make any sense. I think this is a tragic love story, and not a "true crime" story at all.

I woke up with my tv tuned to a channel I'm rarely on and to a show I rarely watch: Nancy Grace's program dedicated to discussion of high-profile criminal cases and stories of the missing.

Oddly enough, I lucked on an hour dedicated to the mystery of the disappearance of the McStay Family.

This was very interesting and the guests included Joseph McStay's brother, Michael, who really surprised me with some of his answers to questions.

I have to hand it to Nancy Grace. The qualities in her that many find most annoying, her unrelenting brashness and confrontational nature, are what make her a great investigative journalist. She's not afraid to ask difficult questions (the prosecutor in her) and she asked Michael McStay some difficult questions. And I was shocked by his response to one of those questions.

When Grace asked McStay whether he believed it was possible that Summer had either killed his brother (or had him killed) he vacillated. He gave answers like "I hope not." There was never any sort of resounding vote of confidence that this would not even be a remote possibility. He eventually ended by saying he didn't believe that that's what happened, but he appeared to be saying this without any real conviction.

This could mean either he's still playing the "let's cover for Joey and Summer game" excellently, or that he has genuine doubts about the stability of their relationship and the capacity of Summer for violence. It was a really unnerving response.

Someone had commented today on another of my McStay posts that he felt confident that one of the spouses had murdered the other.

The thing about spousal homicide is you sometimes have zero clues from the externally visible circumstances.

When Michael McStay was asked his interpretation of the footage possibly showing the McStays crossing into Mexico by night, he said he believed the woman was Summer but he didn't have any such conviction that the man traveling with her was his brother. He also didn't feel confident in saying that those were the McStay children. Obviously, if it is Summer on the videotape those are doubtless her children. That she's suddenly entering Mexico holding the hand of a child other than her own would be more than a little improbable.

Mr. McStay mentioned that in the enhanced FBI footage one can see the woman believed to be Summer McStay is wearing Ugg boots, which Summer was known to have a great fondness for. I can say even myopic I could see the distinctive headgear those kids always wore in the enhanced video, and these aren't really as common as people seem to think. Not even in California. Those hats were bigger in the nineties and less common today. And to have two children wearing those hats is still a stretch I think, when you consider the timing of the crossing relative to the time the vehicle was abandoned.

Also of interest (and new to me) were the following facts: 1) The day of their disappearance, Joseph McStay purchased beach towels, which would seem to indicate a planned visit to some beach and quite possibly one in Mexico. 2) The search that we had heard was done for passport requirements to travel into Mexico was actually a query sent to the site About.com. Whether Summer or Joseph (or someone else--unlikely) made this query is not known. 3) A painter who had been helping with the renovations on the McStays' newly-purchased home apparently "disappeared" without explanation. A family friend had offered to take his place. One has to wonder whether this individual might have been casing the house and the family's resources.

But even with the new information revealed in this most recent examination of the disappearance, it still seems someone was planning a trip to Mexico and it still looks to have been a one-way trip.

The person doing the query would have known that you can get into Mexico that way but you cannot get out. The children would have needed their birth certificates and Summer and Joseph would have needed passports to get out. Summer's passport was expired.

So did Joseph McStay plan to kill his wife or possibly his whole family in Mexico?

Did Summer have Joseph McStay killed either in America or in Mexico?

Did someone lure the family to Mexico for nefarious purposes and kill one or all of them?

I say it still seems like a willful disappearance to me.

If one spouse murdered the other, the probability would of course be greater (going by FBI statistics) that Joseph murdered Summer.

But probability is only probability. And if the woman in the video is Summer and the man in the crossing video is not Joseph, then the possibility that Summer killed Joseph or had him killed has to be entertained.

If we imagine a third party luring the family to Mexico for nefarious ends, it seems odd that the McStays would research the requirements for crossover themselves and not worry about getting back to America. Because they lacked the requisite documents to do so when they crossed over.

It seems one or both of the adult McStays was planning a one-way trip into Mexico (and possibly countries beyond).

I don't believe this was a modern band of Mexican banditti (this was insinuated on the show) who kidnapped or killed the McStay family. Some wild stuff does go down south of the border though, and there have been murders of American tourists like that recently, some of which became high-profile news stories.

There was too much orchestration beforehand indicating intent on behalf of one or more of the McStays to really give credence to the idea that at least one of the adult McStays did not plan this trip to Mexico. Additionally, it was revealed recently that Summer was learning Spanish several months before the family disappeared.

Home invasion and kidnapping seem unlikely. More assets would have been seized from the house and certainly the McStays' accounts would have been raided through cards they carried. And that vehicle most likely would not have been left just sitting there. It would have been fenced.

Was it flight to avoid prosecution for some criminal activities one or both of the adult McStays were engaged in? I don't know. I've seen a lot of people online saying Summer's involvement in the loan modification business was more than a little shady. But I don't think I've seen any real confirmation or documentation to back up that claim. The McStay family disappearance has now reached the level of notoriety where rumors, untruths and half-truths are being spawned and spinning off the story as rapidly as hurricanes in the Atlantic when autumn nears.

I still come to the conclusion of willfull disappearance.

But I'm not sure why. The investigators on this case say the government has assured them that the McStays are not in the Witness Protection Program. But some have asked whether the government would actually confirm that fact if it were the case. Deniability might be the policy for the safety of those in the program.

I hope this disappearance was done in solidarity, but I have to confess I wonder more and more whether one of them might have done harm to the other.

Because of the lack of forensic evidence, I don't believe any such theoretical murder would have happened in the new house or the vehicle.

Possibly this occurred somewhere in the four days in America unaccounted for before the crossing-- or in Mexico itself.

But my instincts still say no.

I still think Joseph and Summer McStay are in this thing together, whatever it is.

And that the family's members are all alive.

Oh, one last mote to trouble the mind's eye.

Someone called in asking if investigators in this case had looked at the disappearance of the Jamison family. This was in Oklahoma.

The caller was obviously a watcher of Investigation Discovery's series Disappeared, since both of these high-profile cases were covered by that program. Both of these cases probably became high-profile because of those programs more than anything else. Investigation Discovery claims it's the fastest growing network, and I completely believe that claim.

The caller had insinuated that there were a number of eerie similarities in the two cases.

I saw that program on the Jamison family disappearance and that is indeed another weird disappearance, but the stories don't share that many similarities.

I will admit that case has one of the creepiest videotapes ever.

The video of the family shows them loading up their vehicle the day of their disapearance, where they walk right past each other dozens of times like zombies in that grainy black and white film. The couple never say a word to each other. It's as though they're the pod people in Invasion of the Body Snatchers. That clip really gives me the heebie-jeebies. Cree-py.

There was a whole other dimension to that story with the wife's rampant bipolar disorder and the journal found in the vehicle in which she apparently vented a frightening, suppressed rage she felt towards her husband.

They disappeared in an isolated place where they were scoping land to build on.

And there is that strange last photo of their daughter found on the camera left in the family vehicle with the malnourished family dog, who was near death when rescued.

One family friend claimed this photo disturbed her. She stated she believes the child looks worried and speculated that this child seemed aware that something was drastically wrong that day.

There's definitely foul play there and I'd be shocked if it wasn't a multiple murder.

On that one, I'd bet my mental money on a murder by stranger or murder/suicide family implosion.

I have no idea why they did not find the bodies nearby though.

If the wife had been the murderer, my guess is the bodies would have been easily found. She was slight of build. But then she could have lured her family far from where the vehicle was located before committing this act. I don't really believe this is what happened--I'm only speculating.

If the husband committed murder--and he had to have suffered from severe mental illness or drug addiction since he had recently asked a priest how to get imaginary beings off the roof of the family dwelling--the bodies might not be found so easily.

But the fact that in this isolated location the vehicle was not moved implies either the family is somewhere nearby (dead) and the searchers missed them--or they were abducted and taken away in another vehicle.

But in the latter "abduction by stranger" scenario there is a problem --a large sum of money was left behind in the vehicle.

If someone set them up to meet there and then killed them, say because of a grudge, it's possible that they never even looked in the vehicle--because they were only concerned with abducting the family. I mean if they didn't have a mercenary motive. Or maybe they simply didn't suspect the family would bring money along when looking at the plot of land which they were considering for a homestead.

There seemed to be a belief that severe drug abuse (and probably crack) played a big part in whatever happened.

Crack will make people do some insane things.

And since one or both of the Jamisons were suffering from mental illness, obviously that drug would have just exacerbated any psychologically distressing situations.

Both of these cases are bound to keep people guessing for some time.

Each case truly is a modern day Marie Celeste.

And all of these people vanished as thoroughly as if they were indeed lost in the middle of the ocean.

46 comments:

  1. I saw the McStay show today on "Disappeared." My question is, who was taking all those videos? Ones of the family all together at the playground, the one in the kitchen with the father playing with one of the children and the mother at the sink. (The mother in that video seemed very detached, by the way.) Who took those videos? Did you think the father seemed a little bit too 'on' in every one of those videos? Even the pic with the broad smile and the Hawaiian 'hang loose' (or whatever that thumb and pinkie hand gesture means) sign? I don't know. Seems like alot of groundwork laid to make it as mysterious as possible, including the dogs being fed regularly and the two little bowls of popcorn propped on the couch. I mean, two little boys leaving those bowls unspilled? Both filled exactly equally and set squarely on the couch? It's just all too pat.

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  2. I don't put too much stock in a few glimpses of someone on a videotape. Moods can vary and you can't intuit a person's character from home videos--unless they're strangling their kid like Homer Simpson does to Bart. I thought McStay seemed genuine in the clips and to be enjoying his children. But if one of them WERE a sociopath, we wouldn't know. Sociopaths are often attractive, jovial, articulate people who can simulate normal emotion better than most "non-sociopaths" can. The dogs were being fed regularly by animal control personnel. There was nothing mysterious in that. They had simply been abandoned. Don't forget the two little bowls filled that way were part of a reenactment. That wasn't real life. In real life, the popcorn probably was messy. One thing I've learned by watching numerous episodes of DISAPPEARED by now is you can't always trust that show to get facts right...and that they will often put a "spin" on a story and then pretend as though they are being objective. When they aren't even close to being objective. Thanks for your comments. There's lots more info to be found on message boards although I can't vouch for how correct all of it is. One board maintains that the father's business didn't do any business...that McStay's warehouse was found to be empty of supplies and that no work had been done for many months. So maybe this means it was a front...or his business tanked, dried up...increasing financial stress...or maybe it was used for money laundering or something and only funcitioned when needed for that. This is a complicated case. And it's complicated because we aren't given a lot of information. I just thought it was very creepy when the brother vacillated on whether he thought Summer was capable of doing something like having her husband killed. One expected him to say "No way!" So either he knows something dark about Summer and mistrusts her...or he's part of the web of misdirection being spun to keep the family hidden.

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  3. Good clarification, @William Keckler-and you are right, reanactments can be skewed and definitely embellished. I hadn't thought about that, but even so, two bowls of popcorn left on the couch--who would leave a home this way unless they were running away in a hurry--particularly abandoning dogs they adored? I didn't know his business has "tanked/dried up" (no pun intended there, I am sure since his supposedly lucrative biz was indoor fountains) and leaving his 6 figure band account balance untouched may mean he had funds elsewhere, maybe even under another name. They would have to have some money to leave! They never mentioned how those toys were purchased at Ross store, either--even though they said they could not pinpoint which Ross store the toys were purchased, did they mention if they were paid for in cash or credit card? Also--who buys boys a red toy kitchen? Maybe they were aspiring little chefs or showed an interest in cooking-OR she purchased them with the intention of giving them as gifts? The feeling I get was that they were out and about and one of them "learned" something that told them do NOT go back home-get out of town and fast." What do you think? And I agree with you-the brother knew something but then what about the painter who wrapped up the job but said it was 'bigger than he thought' - he didn't see the house before he started? Lots of fishy stuff.

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  4. Hi...I have another post on here and people have focused there on that (surprisingly feminine) toy as you do here...some suspect it was intended for nefarious uses but it remained there so that seems dubious.

    Here is the link...

    http://joebrainardspajamas.blogspot.com/2011/01/mcstay-family-disappearance.html

    We are missing information we need as armchair detectives to "solve" this.

    The way I see it the most IMPORTANT facts are these:

    1) Someone searched the requirements to go into Mexico but didn't seem too concerned about coming back out of Mexico (since they could cross over but not back with their absence of documentation).

    2) The car was found that close to the border crossing. To assume they were kidnapped by banditti AND did that search on the computer is too unlikely to my mind.

    Thos are without a doubt the TWO MOST IMPORTANT FACTS.

    So willful disappearance.

    But did he plan on killing her (or his entire family?)

    Or did she have him killed and leave with the children?

    Or were they in it together--whatever "it" is--and are all living together on the sly.

    Of course I hope the last is the case. I tend to believe it is.

    But if one of them is a sociopath all bets are off.

    And sociopaths do have kids like everyone else.

    What would be interesting to know is how fluent in Spanish each of the parents are.

    Because the mother's maiden name is Aranda, does that mean she grew up bilingual?

    I was searching for the commonality of the surname Aranda in the Montevideo area since I had a weird series of searches on my blog from Uruguay a little while back.

    It seems to be not that uncommon. But it might be like that all through South America.

    I would be interested to know if Summer (nee Aranda) had relations in Uruguay or if that was her background?

    Or a Mexican background and relations, of course, would be significant.

    Several sources played up the "fact" that Summer loathed the idea of going to Mexico and considered it unsafe.

    But if you are planning something like that you want to put out as many red herrings as possible.

    I don't know about the state of the house.

    Considering that it was a project and a mess anyway maybe people are putting too much stock into these little details.

    It could be staged, or it could just be they gave up on the mess it was once they (or one of them) knew they had planned an alternate future.

    The untouched money is probably the most significant INEXPLICABLE fact.

    Either there is another money source (which is major) or something went awary in the plans and the timetable got screwed up and withdrawal would then have been dangerous (revealing whereabouts).

    No one can touch that money though so nobody has technically surrendered it.

    Don't be surprised if that disappears later in a tricky international maneuver.

    Authorities should freeze it.

    But they probably can't legally do it.

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  5. We may be over analyzing it. I agree, I really do not think anyone had murder in mind, just the need to escape some legal issues or a bad drug deal and being tipped off that they were in danger. Drugs could be a major issue. All that cash in the bank and a business that had tanked spells something fishy going on. There must be funds stashed somewhere else OR an enormous amount of cash hidden in the house to use for traveling, so no paper trail. I would bet my own bottom dollar that she speaks fluent Spanish--the sister who was interviewed sounded like she had the slight Spanish accent. Even though they couldn't leave Mexico without documentation, they may have been able to obtain some false papers in Mexico that allowed them to run from there to another part of the world. That is my guess. They left Mexico and re-established in another part of the world and he is probably running some surf shack somewhere. The child's pronounced red strawberry birthmark on the forehead will probably be what identifies them some day in the future, many years from now perhaps, if they are in fact all still alive, that is.

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  6. Hi. You're probably right about the birthmark. I thought the strange iris of Madeline (forgotten her surname, McCann?) would surely lead to her being found--if she is alive, which now seems doubtful.

    If the sister had a slight accent, yeah, she probably IS fluent. Which will be a big help. Although you can pick up a translator for nothing down there (but then someone else is privy to your business).

    I'm told it is VERY easy to secure fake documentation for establishing a fake Mexican identity, and that this is VERY cheap, but I'm not sure how easy it is to get the sorts of documents required for entry into other countries. Passports are getting harder and harder to counterfeit.

    But then Mexican has illegal crossing points into other countries.

    A surf shack is a pretty image.

    I hope that is what they're doing.

    Enjoying life as one happy (creepy) family.

    lol.

    They probably have makeup on the kid by now.

    C'mere honey, time for Mommy's "special sunblock."

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  7. OMG you and me--super sleuths that probably cracked this case! LOL Agree completely-may they be safe and happy and hopefully not guilty of committing any crimes of any nature!

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  8. My impression of Michael Mcstay is that he knows much more than he is telling. He has a case for fianancial fraud, long with a Juan Duran, against him in California. The father of him and Joseph, Patrick McStay, also has similar legal problems. Not saying this makes them terrible people, but does raise red flags.

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  9. Didn't know about this. I had heard something but I though tit was rumors. Yesterday, the Department of Homeland Security visited my blog. Or their computers did (not sure how that works). But all the entries they went into were relating to the McStay family. Makes you wonder if there's a whole other level to the story.

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  10. Has Michael McStay ever had a lie detector test?

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  11. I have no idea. It probably wouldn't have been in the context of his brother's disappearance though, unless he were a suspect (which I'm guessing he is not). Maybe in the context of a possible indictment for the charges a commenter mentions above (if that is accurate--I have not researched it).

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  12. If you check on the In Session Message Board, you'll find a link to the court documents involving Mike plus loads of other information.

    As for the child's birthmark, laser treatment could take care of that quite successfully.

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  13. Thanks for the info.

    My mind is elsewhere today. I think I'll let the government deal with the McShadys. I just hope the kids are okay.

    Good point about laser treatment. I didn't even think of that. But you're right. Everybody zaps that stuff away today.

    If they have the bucks. And I'm sure they do.

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  14. i think joey met with the employee on that day to discuss business. i think the business was fake id's. with him having a criminal background it was easy for him to acquire.

    the 100,000 left was so that his first son would have money later. if they are not found in 7 years he will be declared dead and maybe the son would get the money?

    mexico and south american countries are big on plastic surgery. i am sure you have seen the "novelas"; most of the actresses and actors have had work done. the birthmark would be easily removed.

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  15. The child could still have scarring after the laser removal of the birthmark, but a haircut with alot of bangs would hide that I suppose. I just hope and pray the children are not in danger of any kind. I's so sad.

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  16. I have always believed that Joseph planned this on his own. There is no way that I owuld ever leave my dogs abandoned even for a small amount of time, unless there was a lie involved. Easy to set up ahead of time, money, passports, id's waiting on the other side. The rapid escape from the house under the guise of 'getting ice cream' perhaps. Everyone jumps in car and adventure begins. I am disturbed by the phone calls he made on his way back to Fallbrook from Rancho Cucamonga. Who did he contact and what were the conversations.I don't believe that information has ever been brought to lite.

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  17. Saw another show last night, this one hosted by the mother of Natalee Holloway which again highlighted the McStay family. My heart breaks for the mother of Joseph and the other family members, SO missing those beloved grandchildren, and their parents too. Why would someone DO something like this to their family, unless they had absolutely no choice? If they just wanted to disconnect from the world as they knew it, I wish they would read this and reconsider the intense sadness they have caused. If someone is "holding" them somewhere, please, please--let them return to their home and loved ones. I just cannot even imagine the kind of excruciating pain one must feel being left so in the dark like this.

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  18. I watched this last night and I felt the same way you did about the brother. There were many things about his behaviour I didn't quite understand. One thing I wondered about was when he went to the house and walked around back where the dogs were and supposedly found a window cracked open. This is how he supposedly got into the house and then hewalked around and didn't find it odd that food had been left out? But what really got me is that when the private investigator's decided to take a look....of course they noticed the food being left out and found that odd but they then said that that was the only strange thing they found and that there did not appear to be an forced entry. But I found it odd that the window was left open and wondered if the brother had mentioned the window to them? Was this not odd? Had this been my family and I could not reach them....I would have been calling non-stop! I would have gone over there every single day and I would not have ignored the fact that the dogs were left in the back yard. I would have talked to neighbors to see who was feeding the dogs. It's surprises me how long it took before they seriously started looking for this family. Eleven days? It's almost like the family was aware of their plan and was waiting to get the police involved to give them time for whatever it is they were up to. And I thought the same thing about the witness protection program. Why would they admit that they were part of the witness protection program? That would defeat the purpose.

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  19. I too found the eleven days to be a ridiculous amount of time. But then the family's argument would be that they were eccentric to start out with and did "things like that." Did you see the video I posted here of them scouting out their new home (pre-move). Summer is definitely hating the move and not at ALL happy with the location, etc. She constantly complains about the move on the video and says "I can't do this." I now believe either she had him killed and ran off with another man or they're in Witness Protection all together. The only thing that goes against the Witness Protection Program would be "Why start this elaborate move right beforehand?" Seems to be going a loooong way for misdirection. I think Summer had her husband killed (either because of an affair with another man, over money, because he knew too much about her criminal dealings or all of the above). But that's just my intuition going by the visible evidence. If they're all alive it's probably Witness Protection. And of course I hope for that scenario. But Summer seems shadier and shadier the more I learn about her. She WAS learning Spanish in the months before the disppearance into Mexico (despite her claims about hating Mexico). So I'm guessing she was the one doing the passport searches. Or her boyfriend. The four days before the crossover were to dispose of Joseph's remains and distract the children (probably in some motel between their home and the place the car was towed).

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  20. One rethinks things with time (and new information).

    After the Laura Ling E! Investigates focusing on the McStays I posted my thoughts here: http://joebrainardspajamas.blogspot.com/2011/12/e-investigates-laura-ling-examines.html

    Would be interested to hear anyone's read on that most recent show and its new disclosures.

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  21. I find it strange that she bought NEWBORN clothing in Ross along with the other items including the KITCHEN set, because they have 2 toddler sons. Summer learning Rosetta Stone months before they disappeared + the newborn clothing+ kitchen set + passport searches + lack of clothing = mexican adoption. I wached the E! Investigates episode and it clicked to me. His brother was adopting kids from Ghana so I believe its possible they too wanted to adopt. I don't know what happened once they crossed, but I think it is a possibility that they were lured there thinking they would be getting their adopted kid (s) that day. Again this is only my opinion of what happened.

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  22. Hi. I'm totally convinced that Summer McStay was and is schizophrenic. I discussed it in the post linked in this article (above).

    This is why everything seems so irrational.

    This really explains it all for me. I kept thinking she had to be into criminal activity because who else changes their name like that multiple times.

    Well, it's a classic trait in paranoid schizophrenics.

    I thoroughly believe they are all ALIVE AND WELL now.

    And I can honestly say it's based on that theory and not mere hope.

    It totally explains everything to me.

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  23. I think it is weird that they were sleeping on a air mattress. I wonder if summer was caught in bed with the painter who just disappeared. Didn't joesph tell his mom the day he left he wasnt feeling right? that to me says alot. The fact joesph makes a phone call a hour after leaving, and it was strictly business. If joesph was in trouble or being kidnap does the family believe he is going to be worried about business. No there is so much more to this story. I believe he killed her. why would the brother go through a window "weird" A happy family like the mcstays are trying to convince america would not up in leave. Unless she was in witness protection before she got married and he had to leave too.

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  24. I believe she was buying newborn clothing for her sisters new baby. She was planning on visiting her. with that said i just wonder how controlling joesph was with her. they called her a hermit, but she wanted her real estate license. she was consider outgoing. it just makes me wonder if she was planning on leaving him.

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  25. I agree the brothers behavior and story is odd. If i seen a crack window i would be calling my family and than calling the cops. I would not want to mess up evidence. I believe his brother and him were in on it. Everyone is talking about summer, But i dont believe she was a hermit. I believed he controlled her. Who crawls through a window and notices this. Also it could be someone working on the house seen a safe, and made plans to rob them. I find it odd they are sleeping on an air mattress. but the house reminds me of my sister. she is real messy and would leave food out.

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  26. Last few commenters: I agree Michael McStay's going through the window was ill-advised, but I really don't think it indicates any sort of involvement on his part. He was just being impulsive. Because he's probably done the most in terms of trying to find these people and bringing national (and international!) attention to this case.

    But I agree with you. I would have called the police too. I don't think the window was cracked, as in "broken." He said a window was "loose."

    Interesting you think Joseph controlled Summer. I'm convinced it was the other way around. I find it hard to reconcile his panic attacks with him being in control. I think he was at her beck and call, I believe she suffered from borderline personality disorder (or paranoid schizophrenia, but BPD more likely) and that this explains why the family disappeared. She wanted to disappear so they went along. If you read my post about Summer re BPD, you'll see the reasons I give for believe this theory is correct.

    The fragmentation of identity is CLASSIC borderline personality disorder. Summer could not stay with one name, one ethnicity, one age...virtually nothing.

    And those people suddenly disappear out of people's lives without explanation.

    It's a classic trait of this mental illness.

    And that house totally looked like mental illness inside.

    They're all alive. They'll be found when they want to be found, when the marriage breaks up, when she crashes so bad she needs to be hospitalized (and I'm sure she'd rather die than be hospitalized knowing her history), or when someone spot's that kid's birthmark.

    Thanks for your comments and thoughts.

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  27. The District Attorney’s Office in New Orleans is trying to locate Patrick Robert McStay. The information we have is that McStay lives at 17726 Seven Pines Drive in Spring, Texas.
    The Harris County Sheriff’s Office has been notified numerous times with reference to outstanding felony warrants in Louisiana. If anyone can locate McStay, please contact your local law enforcement agency. The DA’s Office will extradite. McStay’s warrants are in the NCIC national system.

    Thanks,
    Nick Geraci
    Criminal Investigator
    ngeraci@orleansda.com

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  28. Thank You, Mr. Geraci, for this important update which may be very relevant to the McStays disappearance.

    That is indeed very disturbing news.

    I will promote this to a full post and add the appropriate tags to try to get it sourced by a large number of people.

    That gives me a very grim feeling and grim thoughts.

    Because people who haggle over this case and analyze it have always said what a disturbing (and counter-productive, some implied) presence P.M. was in this case.

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  29. The DOJ (dept of justice) now has Joseph/Summer each listed as "Voluntary Missing Adult", and both children listed as "Unknown Circumstances". Also has them 'last seen' on February 1st, not the 4th. Hmmmm...

    You can see this at the following link, just enter the first and last name:
    http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/default.asp

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  30. What's up with that wrong date?

    Hey, whoever you are, thanks MUCH for this very interesting qualification.

    I wonder if that means the government knows where they are but is honoring their request to stay hidden. It's perfectly their right to do so if they desire and haven't committed any criminal offense.

    Of course, they do have the taxes to file, but for all we know they may be filing them.

    Maybe the government knows but the McStay family doesn't.

    I would think that should make the McStays IMMENSELY HAPPY at the holidays to know their loved ones are alive and probably perfectly fine.

    I believed they were all alive again (and not just three) when I saw the Laura Ling documentary.

    There were the missing pieces I needed to think "not murder but willfull disappearance" again.

    But this is good news.

    Although the fugitive status of Patrick McStay gave me worries momentarily.

    But that may be unconnected.

    Or even if it's connected, it still doesn't mean anyone's dead.

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  31. I went to the DOJ site and you're right.

    But are we sure that's not how they were initially listed by the DOJ?

    I mean, is this a recent change? If so, I say it buoys hopes.

    If not, I say it might not mean much.

    The weird thing is the McStays are listed as "VOLUNTARY MISSING" but the kids are listed as "CIRCUMSTANCES UNKNOWN."

    That's very strange.

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  32. Me again......I don't know about the date but have to think it must be correct. I couldn't get this case out of my mind until I came across the Dept. of Justice info.I feel like they are all okay? Still a mystery but okay. It is reported that JM owns other property in Mexico(2or more)The extended family knew nothing about the property. Everything is so mysterious with the McStays.......Happy Holidays, Patti

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  33. Hi Patti. Happy Holidays to you and yours! You are a good researcher. It was news to me that he owned that property (with the Ling documentary) but I figured his family always knew! I really believe they wanted an insular life, to escape. I promoted your info to a post on the blog but my big question was "Do we know that this status changed or was updated recently?" Or is that the way it went up when it was first posted. I'm assuming the February 1st was a clerical error (if a big one). And I agree it's still mysterious. I can only hope P.M.'s warrant/presumed criminal activities are not connected to the missing McStays. But they were in business together (even if only nominally). On that Websleuths site I saw there is a really shoddy real estate site online that lists them as in partnership. But nominally only. It doesn't appear to have been making anybody any money. But who knows. Let's just hope P.M. is your garden variety criminal and not a sociopath. Because if he is a sociopath, all bets are off. And even if he's not, he seems like a bungler. Even in his criminal enterprises. God I hope he didn't draw them into something that cost them their lives. Mistakes in Mexico can be fatal. Mistakes anywhere can. But especially there.

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  34. {The weird thing is the McStays are listed as "VOLUNTARY MISSING" but the kids are listed as "CIRCUMSTANCES UNKNOWN}
    The way I looked at the status of the children is....Because of their age, they didn't consent to going missing. I don't know if the first listing from the DOJ was different,than it is today, now almost 2 years later. I think, this is very telling. There MUST be some basis for 2 little words. VOLUNTARY MISSING.It doesn't say maybe voluntary missing. LOL......Patti

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  35. I think you probably figured out the logic: "because of their age they didn't consent to go missing"...or break their grandparents' hearts.

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  36. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2015208517_missing02.html
    California family's 2010 disappearance still a mystery
    June 1, 2011

    Check out this piece in Seattle Times. It breaks down the money that makes a little more sense.
    It's not really 100k sitting in a big fat account......Patti

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  37. There is a program coming on ID next week about a person who went missing 4 1/2 years ago and just reappeared. His name is Scoop Daniels. Maybe, some answers into the mind set of people who do this sort of disappearing act. It does happen more than you would think....Patti

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  38. Patti, I saw that on Scoop being found. Is he in prison? It appeared in the preview to be a prison interview. Maybe it was just misleading me...but that's what it looked like. I remember seeing that and thinking "This guy is totally alive." From what I'm remember the guy got up, had breakfast and just took off and there really wasn't anything sinister in the circumstances other than the disappearance itself. I do want to see that. And thanks for the link. I think that's the journalist most people are saying has done the best writing on the case. I'm sure I visited that before but I'll go again. It's easy to forget things. Thanks.

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  39. I don't know that much about Scoop. I got the idea he was into criminal activitie$ that were catching up with him. When you play...you don't always want to pay......Patti

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  40. Has anyone else noticed that his brother said he was an avid you tuber, but Mc Stay really only posted on 3 dates. All right before the disappeared. Seemed a little odd to me. Of course if I was about to bail on my life I would post about my kiddos too!

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  41. If the lady had changed her name several times, and there was suspicion of the family being protected by the Witness Protection Program, why is that not being looked into more? Perhaps she witnessed something and had to change her name, but whoever she was being hidden from found out her new identity and she had to be taken into protective custody once more but this time with her family along with her. One does not simply change their name for no reason, and my theory is that she had been in the Witness Protection Program before, and was simply taken into custody again as the result of threats or endangerment.

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  42. Witness Protection is allegedly one of the theories which is definitely ruled out. If it is that, then law enforcement has been fooled by the Federal government and is wasting their time allocating resources constantly for this case. It appears a lot of money has been spent on this case. I don't think people in Witness Protection would be doing the searches for passport requirements into Mexico. There would be no trace of anything if it was Witness Protection. They would have been told where they are going, most likely. It could be that Witness Protection is the real truth behind it all--and then parking the vehicle near the border and crossing over would have been red herrings--most likely they'd be on another continent altogether, like Europe or Australia. But the most likely reasons it's not WP is that 1) We would have seen somebody in their circle get prosecuted by now by the federal government (true, the father was extradited by the State of Louisiana) but I don't think his charges appear to be so scary that they would have to go in hiding because of testimony they gave or something and 2) The facts of their business dealings (the adults) make them look more like non-agents. Maybe schemers and dreamers, but they just don't "smell" like agents. There are too many signs of genuine "money desperation" in their lives.

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  43. It seems odd to me that the toys were not opened. Now what child doesn't tear into a new gift? The barcodes can identify which store the toys came from. If Ross or the family would scan those codes and mass e-mail them to Ross stores, the store with that individual code would and could be identifed. Perhaps they came from a place that the McStays never visited..a stranger or new "friend". That was overlooked. I phoned the barcode company and it can be identified it is just that someone wanted to take the easy way out and said that without the receipt it couldn't be identified. With the receipt they wouldn't have had to ask the question in the first place!!! Duh!! Other than tracking the toys, the rest makes no sense. They left their animals, took no clothes and were smart enough to know the rules about re-entering the US before they went to Mexico. Didn't they speak to anyone on the other side for directions or anything? If they were going to commit murder and suicide, why cross the border to do so? Could it be that the parents were killed and the children sold??? This is so bizarre.

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  44. Wasn't there even speculation that Joseph was being slowly poisoned to death by Summer? No one is referencing that on this site but I thought I read or saw that speculation somewhere else. Joseph had been feeling strangely ill a few days prior to this disappearance thing; maybe taking anti-malaria medication prior to entering a foreign country?. I agree with everything I've read on this blog. I do not believe that the McStay's went without being noticed in the unaccounted for few days PRIOR to that tape of them (possibly) crossing into Mexico. You can't hide an entire family of four for several days without anyone remembering if they saw them or not. Also, a local news channel in LA did a follow up story on the McStay's about 2 months ago. Was I the only one who saw it??? A motel owner south of the border SWORE the family of four checked into his motel and remembered specifics about each person. When the cops (or whomever/journalist?) checked the sign-in desk register the day of the proported check in - the name used was either (1) an alias Joseph had used before or (2) some strange combination of his middle name and first name. How could that be a coincidence and involve anyone OTHER than the McStays??? In my book - that proves they were/are still south of the border. This motel manager didn't even speak English and he wasn't making this up. The family might've been staying in a motel in the Fallbrook area prior to crossing into Mexico - using this same alias.

    I think Summer didn't like the new home the family had just taken residency of because she knew it was only a cover for the inevitable disappearance out of the states. Also, noted - I believe the home was barely furnished. I do NOT think Joseph's brother is "hiding" knowledge of a disappearance. If the McStay's ARE in the witness protection program - there's no way that Michael McStay would know about this. It doesn't make sense that he could/would be complicit in this; have you seen his facebook page?? This man is grieving and at the helm of the hunt down for his brother and family.

    What about cell phone records? Where ELSE did they call in the days prior to their disappearance? What other computer searches were done at the family home prior to their disappearance? Even something as insignificant as where to buy baby diapers might've been one more piece of this puzzle to ruminate over. Either way - this is a VERY interesting, complicated and true "Unsolved Mystery".

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