Thursday, December 15, 2011

E! Investigates: Laura Ling Examines McStay Family Disappearance with "The Family Who Vanished"

Update to this post dated 1/31/2012: I have not been able to verify Patrick McStay's current status. Numerous people have left comments stating he was successfully extradited from Texas to New Orleans to face charges on alleged financial improprieties. I've heard conflicting reports about whether or not he posted bail. Most seemed to think he was still being held, which makes me wonder if bail was set prohibitively high since he had previously been a fugitive with regard to the Louisiana warrant. If anyone has media or press confirmation (please don't leave any unsourced comments or I'll just delete them) as to his current status I'd be interested to hear. Also, if anyone knows the exact nature of the charges or if any additional charges have been filed--particularly if any of these charges were related to the McStay family disappearance. I'm doubting the latter is the case and am leaning towards the idea that P.M.'s legal woes are probably separate problems from any problems which might have been the reason for the McStays' disappearance. But we will see what we will see, I guess. For the record, as of this date, I believe the McStays are all alive and well, and that they disappeared of their own volition. For my reasons regarding this, just go to the homepage of this blog and look at the left hand side for the most read blog posts on this site and you'll see several other posts I did exploring several diverse theories which I feel are plausible explanations of the reasons for the family's disappearance.

12/28/2011 McStays Update: I just put these two things together tonight: Does this creep you out the way it creeped me out?

Another update on the McStays case: PATRICK ROBERT MCSTAY SOUGHT BY LOUISIANA LAW ENFORCMENT: WARRANT ISSUED. This might be the key to solving the mystery of the McStays' disappearance. Or it may prove to be unrelated.

I watched Laura Ling's investigation into the McStay family's disappearance (E! Investigates) tonight and found much of the newly-disclosed information to be somewhat revelatory.

I say somewhat because the mystery remains a mystery, so far a modern, dry-land version of The Marie Celeste.

Let's hope it doesn't end up a permanent mystery as that latter one seems fated to be.

I feel guilty for once--when the case first broke--thinking the McStay family was "covering" for Joseph Mcstay and family, that it was a willful disappearance, and that this meant one or both of the adults was probably involved in shady or outright criminal activities.

It's all too clear by now how pained Joseph's family is by this disappearance and the sort of dread and hope they live with. They are totally proactive with the media and work tirelessly to bring attention to the case and recover their loved ones.

Interesting to see how things have changed in the public presentation of the case by family and friends. Summer McStay's character is now being called into question, it seems, even by Susan Blake and Michael McStay, mother and brother of Joseph McStay.

I agree. It's not normal to learn your daughter-in-law and the mother of your grandchildren is forty-three and not thirty-two, as she had apparently been telling people. And it's especially not normal to learn this from INTERPOL. And her aliases (by some accounts as many as eleven) have made many people wonder what sort of activities or business dealings she had been engaged in that would necessitate such measures.

Oddly enough, I found the single most interesting new revelation to be that Summer McStay had been seeking a homeopathic remedy for "anger" right before the disappearance. It tells me that she was dealing with an anger or rage that was probably so out of control it frightened her. And, no aspersions intended, but a homeopathic remedy for a psychological problem like that would probably be worthless. She probably needed serious psychiatric help.

But it's not something a sociopath would do. A sociopath wouldn't even question her own anger. Sociopaths always feel justified in their insane behavior. But I'm guessing she suffers from mental illness that falls somewhere else along the personality disorder spectrum (most likely borderline personality disorder). But that doesn't tell me whether or not she's capable of murdering her husband or having him killed--which I think is a strong possibility of what happened here. I do think it's clear that many people now feel as though they don't really know who Summer Mcstay is or was. People who at one time believed they did.

I have asked myself recently whether or not the simplest explanation is the most likely. The simplest explanation given early on is that they went to Mexico intentionally and that something horribly unexpected happened. The computer search for passport requirements to enter Mexico definitely signifies intent to cross over into Mexico. But if they're going there to do something illicit, I don't really see them taking their children with them. And it doesn't really look like a "normal vacation," since they left their vehicle this side of the border--no reason to do that unless you don't want the vehicle because you'll be tracked much more easily that way. And why wouldn't someone have known, if it were a simple vacation?

I hadn't really given much credence to the Mexico "sightings" (unconfirmed) previously, but I have to admit Michael McStay's speculation about a name discovered in the registry of the hotel located next to the restaurant where the family was allegedly sighted seems more than a little convincing. It could be a coincidence. But the fact that the name seemed a rearrangement of his brother's name (the spelling of Bryan with a "y" is particularly striking) is seriously odd. Of course, Summer McStay traveling with another man could have chosen that name in a perverse manner.

Joseph McStay was apparently seriously ill. He was having breathing problems (asthma) and suffered from other debilitating problems. Medicine his mother said he really needed was left behind in the vehicle recovered stateside near the border. Not that it's hard to get medications in Mexico (it's much easier actually) if one has money.

And that's where the show really revealed a lot. I had no idea of the assets at the family's disposal. I had no idea they owned land on an island off the coast of Costa Rica (near Ambergris). And Joseph McStay's business associate said he could have been carrying as much as hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash with the success of the fountain business. Many people seem to be incredulous about this and seem to think that in this economy it's very unlikely and point to signs of financial difficulties and bills unpaid, bankruptcy, etc.

But if things are tanking here and you're going to leave, yes, you leave things unpaid and keep the money you have for where you're going. So I don't find the appearance of having financial difficulties and having raftloads of money to be incompatible facts.

I have to admit that with the revelation of these kinds of assets, it becomes more likely that the family did willfully disappear.

But I can't believe it would be in Joseph McStay's character to let his family suffer like this. How easy would it have been to just let them know that the family had chosen to live an unconventional life as expatriates. It's no difficulty at all. Unless the family did something to make the man hate them (very unlikely) I just can't see this happening.

Yet stranger things have.

Joseph McStay suffered from panic attacks. That was news to me. So you have a wife with anger and a husband with serious illness and panic attacks. Not a good combination.

Who was it who came to the front door of the McStay's home in the middle of the night while Summer was on the phone? Summer mentioned how unexpected and disconcerting this was to the person with whom she was speaking. Was the first house painter who disappeared casing the home? Should we make anything of the fact that Michael McStay got in through a "loose window" in the back of the house...had someone else entered that way earlier. Cadaver dogs had no hits and no blood or sign of any confrontation was found in the house, so probably not.

Yet the house was a mess. People tend to think that was the sign of a hasty retreat from the house but that's not my read on it. I think it's the natural result of two people dealing with ill health and mental illness, and a marriage probably fragmenting.

They were trying (or at least one of them was) but something wasn't happening correctly.

I keep thinking that Joseph McStay moving the family to that new house is what triggered whatever happened. If Summer McStay did have a romantic relationship with someone else, that might have triggered a move to claim her. All indications are that Summer didn't want that move or that house.

Should we read something into the fact that Joseph's cell phone goes quiet before Summer's?

Pinging locates the cell phones (and vehicle?) somewhere in the Bonsall vicinity, only a mile and a half from their home. Before the cell phones go dead. It was really disturbing to hear Michael McStay admit he realizes that he realizes the phones could have been receiving as they lay in the pockets of bodies "in a ditch" somewhere in that area.

The woman who claims that she recognizes the family with certainty (Laura Ling showed her a MISSING poster) as the one she saw in the Medina (Mexico) WALMART didn't really convince me. She seemed glib and there were no really specific details that would seem to correlate other than the family speaking English. The fact that the man had a shaved head makes me doubt also. But maybe this was Summer Mcstay with another man and her children. It boggles the mind.

Kudos to Laura Ling for going to Costa Rica and doing the legwork and showing the McStay family's poster to various locals and expats. She could have really landed on something with that. But how much time could she realistically have and how many people can you talk to. I applaud the effort though.

Kudos to Laura Ling just for ferreting out so much new information--which I'm sure will shift the big picture of speculation about this family's disappearance.

The skip tracer, when asked for advice, said he would "focus on the wife."

I knew that Susan Blake had said that she never believed that was her son in the Mexican "crossing video" which allegedly portrays the night passage across the border. But I did not know that she also didn't think that was Summer. Others had thought they recognized Summer in that video and her distinctive Ugg boots. And didn't Michael McStay say he was "ninety percent" certain those were the McStay children?

So the conclusion is what? That the children were abducted by someone who lured the family out of the home to some fatal meeting? I agree with the person who said that entire families are simply "not abducted like that." He said they would have just "killed them in the house." Probably. And they would have probably seized other assets through credit cards.

But I don't think this is what happened.

Again, the fact of the research for passport requirements militates against the credence of that theory. Somebody wanted to go to Mexico. Either one of them or both of them.

Summer was the one learning Spanish (some say for realty clientele purposes). One isn't sure how much weight to put on that fact but again it tends to lead me towards suspicion.

I keep coming back to the conclusion that the most likely thing (sadly) is that Summer McStay crossed that border with someone other than Joseph Mcstay and with her children.

Summer McStay could have easily availed herself of whatever assets the family possessed. And not touching the money in the bank would actually have been a smart move, from a criminal perspective. Because that would have immediately stepped up the investigation. As it was, investigators believed early on that this was a willful disappearance by an entire family. And that kept the investigation cooler and would have bought time if this was indeed the work of Summer and another.

If Summer McStay was in a relationship with another, there is always the possibility that he committed violence against Joseph McStay without Summer's foreknowledge or consent. It could be this happened and she figured "What's left?" and simply went with him. Or was coerced to go. But people seem to agree that the people crossing into Mexico look relaxed and not under pressure.

I hate to say it but I think the four days spent in America before crossing over were the logistics of dealing with the aftermath of the murder of Joseph McStay (disposing of a body, doing damage control with the kids, etc.).

If Summer did abscond with the children, it seems to make more sense of the facts. It explains why Joseph McStay is not contacting his family. It explains why the money in the bank was untouched. It explains why the four days before crossover. It explains why Summer was learning Spanish. It explains why the research into Mexican passport requirements was made.

It's so ugly that one's mind doesn't want to go there and lingers over the facts trying to rearrange them so that the whole family is alive.

If there is a reason why Joseph McStay would do this to his family, I say sure, maybe they are all together.

Maybe he does suffer from more than panic attacks. Maybe he and Summer suffer from some folie a deux, and believe they have to hide from everyone. I mean educated, intelligent people do crazy things all the time. Look at all the intelligent people who join cults and then do the strangest things under that control.

So I hope I'm wrong. Seriously hope I'm wrong.

With the level of interest in the case (which has gone international now) if they are out there, I think they're going to be spotted eventually.

But that doesn't mean it won't be years.

Let's hope it's before then--and a happy ending.

An update...I now thoroughly believe this is the solution to the McStay family disappearance and I'm happy to say I believe they are all alive, if not totally well: I believe this explains why this case seems to be so irrational, seems not to make any sense. I now believe this is a tragic love story, and not a "true crime" story at all.

81 comments:

  1. What didu think of the high school friend of joeys? This is one of the strangest cases ive followed. do u think joey was dying ? I cant make heads or tails of this!

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  2. You're not alone. It messes with everyone's heads. The family works closely with law enforcement, so if they're still wildly guessing as much as they did on that show last night, I'm guessing the detectives have no clue either.

    They're totally off the grid if alive.

    No idea if he was dying. Did you read the comment above where Miss Elaine suggested testing his hair samples for arsenic. Maybe he was being poisoned (a method favored by women who kill their spouses). He was a bit young to have a lot of health problems. And it's not like he was overweight or (as far as we know) a drug addict or anything.

    I didn't think the high school friend interviewed should have even made the final cut for the show. He seemed to just be one of those people who knew Joseph McStay years ago and had no particular relevance or closeness to his life at this point.

    That was a lot of new information that the show contained though...if accurate...about the money and land owned in South America. These were not your typical middle class Americans. And I think they might have had some very unconventional ideas that we still might not be privy to.

    I think we're going to find mental illness plays a big part in whatever went down there. With Summer looking for a homeopathic remedy for "anger" and Joseph's panic attacks.

    For all we know, these might be people who buy into the Mayan "end of time" prophecies. I'm saying something farfetched like that because I think the answer could just as easily prove to be something totally off the wall (strange religious affiliation, etc.) as it might be something conventional (spouse kills spouse to elope with lover).

    Thanks for the comment.

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  3. Oh sorry, the comment about arsenic was on another post on this blog. My bad.

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  4. Thanks for your comment. My names kristy and since i dont have a blog i just posted anonymously. I came across your site this fall bc i was googling about the cases on disappeared that i watch. The mcstay family is just one that is so puzzling. The episode hit home i gues bc my cousins were in missionary traing in costa rica years.ago. I thought lisa ling did a great job but wished more questions were asked of the friends of the couple. To me. The guy that ran the wensite seemed to know something more he wasnt telling. I just hope theyre alive. How can someone just fall off the grid this day amd age?

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  5. Hi Kristi.

    That was actually Laura Ling and not Lisa.

    I thought it was Lisa too until a commenter told me.

    They sure look alike. But I don't think they're even twins.

    Costa Rica is a place where you can disappear actually. In a deliberate way...or also being kidnapped. It's not always the safest country but which one is? Not this one either.

    And I agree about asking more questions of the friends of the couple.

    Well, the close ones that knew them on like a daily basis.

    I wonder if they would even tell if there was martial strife or infidelity they knew about.

    I tend to think they wouldn't, because the media would be all over it and they might be thinking it would hurt the family (the missing McStays and/or the "non-missing" ones).

    And if they're friends of the McStays they probably wouldn't want to publicize their (the McStays') private busines like that.

    That's why I'm wondering if some of them do know things they are loath to reveal for reasons of discretion.

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  6. Oh, and I'm Bill.

    Terrible form, sorry!

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  7. Hello,
    I was thinking about the theory that Summer was having an affair and had Joey killed. I did believe this but then I started to think: how could she have an affair when she had two small children and was a stay at home Mom? How would she be able to meet the guy? Did she hire a baby sitter for her kids while she trysted with her lover? That surely would have come out in an investigation. What about emails, phone calls? Nothing like that was mentioned by the police and they did go through her emails. It now just seems impossible to me that she was having an affair.

    There was also something that stuck out when I viewed the show. On the day they disappeared, Joey went to go meet an 'employee' in Rancho Cucamonga, a very far drive from Fallbrook (former Californian here). He met him at a Chik-Fil-A. THey never said who this employee was, what the conversation was about, or why he needed to meet him in a restaurant very far away. Why couldn't it be done over the phone or email? Why did the employee not come to him? Weird.

    THen that night, after the family had left the home, there was a phone call to the employee he met earlier or another employee, they did not specify on the show. What was frustrating is they never said what this call was for. Was there a voicemail left? Did they speak? If so, what was the conversation? Did the police even investigate that? Maybe when Joey met this 'employee', he picked something up that could only be done in a public place. It all just seems very fishy that he had to meet this guy in a restaurant. And Summer having an affair doesn't add up because it doesn't seem like she was clever enough or calculating enough to appropriately hide something like that. She seems a little too emotional and bi-polar to pull off such an elaborate plot without breaking.

    My two cents. THanks, Laura

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  8. Hi Laura.

    Thanks for your comment, which I think makes a lot of sense.

    I only now found this great article which goes to a great source, investigating detective Troy DuGal.

    This answer at least one of your questions--and I think makes more sense of what might have seemed troubling to you.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41448084/ns/us_news-life/t/year-later-familys-disappearance-mystery/#.TuzGhVYbGSo

    I admit that my view of the case has shifted dramatically with the new disclosures in the Laura Ling special.

    I'm beginning to come to the conclusion you're probably right about an affair/murder scenario being less likely.

    I was basing that on the information available at the time. Then, it didn't seem likely that there were alternate resources besides that 100K in the bank left untouched. Now we're told by one of McStay's employees he could have been carrying hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash if he wanted to. And they owned land down in South America. And they're suddenly gone (apparently) South of the Border.

    So I'm flip-flopping back to my original thoughts (and pretty much everyone's) that it was a willful disappearance.

    I knew Summer was "off."

    I couldn't tell if the lies (saying she's 32 instead of 43), saying she'd never travel to Mexico (if they really did) and oddness were signs of a criminal mind or mental illness.

    POST TOO LONG...CONTINUED BELOW

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  9. Now I'm beginning to think she suffered from some serious untreated mental illness. Often, a co-dependent partner (and they seemed VERY close) will "cover" for someone and sometimes even go along with IRRATIONAL ideas out of love. And that might be exactly what happened.

    The article I linked above has that disturbing fact--about her demanding a drug which doesn't exist. Why would anyone name a medicine "ANGER?" That sounds totally irrational to me. Even if it was to treat anger. You'd call it Placidia or something lame like that. You know how that stuff works, i'm sure you've seen the vaguely amusing names for these drugs based in Latin words or altered adjectives, etc.

    Because Summer was able to work in a demanding profession, I initially thought if it's mental illness it's probably one of the mood disorders (yeah, like the bipolar you mention--or schizoid affective or something).

    But now I'm beginning to wonder if she might not just be schizophrenic.

    Because either she's into some sort of criminality--or its mental illness--or both (the last unlikely to my mind).

    The calling for the drug ANGER sounds like schizophrenic thinking to me. I grew up cared for by a schizophrenic relative and that's the sort of paranoid, magical thinking they often suffer from. Suddenly, there's a drug called ANGER to treat anger. She said "you spray it in the mouth"--to someone. Although, to be fair, I bet a lot of homeopathic medicines are sprays like that. And maybe they would have a dumb name like that because they figured people would certainly pay attention. ANGER in big red letters on the side of the little Binaca blast spray thingie, etc.

    But if Joseph was "indulging" Summer McStay in her mental illness (and he suffered from panic attacks himself) maybe he decided life in a relaxed beach town in South America was the thing for chilling her out.

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  10. Of course, that would be magical thinking and would probably not help her mental illness one bit.

    But it's only because everyone portrayed them as desperate, bankrupt, etc. that I thought the way I did. And hated thinking that way.

    I am very optimistic now that they are all alive.

    I stand by what I said about people thinking that house being such a mess meaning they had to flee suddenly. That's also what a house inhabited by seriously dysfunctional mental illness looks like.

    So I go from "Evil Summer" to "Poor Summer!"

    Because if she is dealing with a mental illness that made her life hell I can seriously relate. God, I hope that's what it is. Horrible to wish that on anyone, but it's hella better than someone being murdered.

    If so, this might turn out to be a really tragic love story, and not a true crime tale at all

    Everyone would breathe a sigh of relief for the four.

    The article I linked above mentions the birthing at home and the home schooling.

    These are people who are all too comfortable being off the grid.

    Sometimes ideas like that can get grossly exaggerated in someone's mind. Maybe they mistrusted society from the start and this is just the ultimate gesture in that direction--leaving it altogether. Maybe all they ever wanted was to escape.

    But why the move into the new house then? Maybe it was Joseph trying to change the setting thinking it might change (delusions?) Summer was suffering from. Paranoid schizophrenia is called that for a reason.

    Maybe Summer insisted nobody else was to be trusted and the general direction of retreat from society's conventions (out of paranoia) is just now achieving its fullest expression in this strange disappearance.

    People will do a lot of strange shit for love. For good or ill.

    Maybe Summer forced a promise out of him to never contact his family.

    If it's mental illness, I'd now place my mental money on paranoid schizophrenia.

    If it's criminality, then it's sad, but it's some other guy because I agree with you that she couldn't pull this off on her own.

    I kept thinking "high functioning" so never even went mentally in the direction of schizophrenia.

    But five children's playhouses INSIDE the house lines up perfectly with the sort of things you might find in a household afflicted by schizophrenia.

    It's a horrible disease.

    And without treatment, their life would have been hell.

    People often move to try to escape problems.

    I do think they're all alive.

    But only because of that documentary.

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  11. I just now did a search for "schizophrenia" and "changed name" on Google and found this interesting article: http://books.google.com/books?id=e_pWpHgY_4IC&pg=PA94&lpg=PA94&dq=schizophrenia+%22changed+her+name%22&source=bl&ots=AZh2UZf14o&sig=FqedZEB6-LEc-cYq8mnqfaMwNCA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5s7sTu-nLqfw0gGtsKywCQ&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

    I thought it interesting that it said "It is difficult to have a relationship with such a person unless you allow them to rule you."

    So if Summer's delusions were paranoid schizophrenia, Joseph just might have gone along with them.

    I'm really thinking this is what happened now and I'm happier.

    Because it would mean they're all alive.

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  12. This is child onset, so different form of schizophrenia but this seems to be a hallmark of the disease: changing names--out of paranoia and the desire to HIDE.

    ug 29, 2011 – January started to change her name frequently, and she started to get angry and aggressive if she ... Diagnosed with child onset schizophrenia. ...

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  13. Surprisingly, a Google search for "Summer McStay" "schizophrenia" only brings up a handful of citations.

    So people must not be thinking that way.

    But I sure am now.

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  14. Hi,
    I just watched the episode today & I agree with you on a few things you wrote here.

    The one thing that really stuck out for me was when Laura was interviewing the man at the outside bar. In fact, I had to rewind the moment to make sure I caught it. As Laura shows the man (sorry I cannot remember his name.)the picture of the family, he automatically says he has not seen the boys & that the man looks like any of the surfers that come around. Yet, when talking about Summer you can see him take a breath, close his eyes (possibly swallow) before commenting on Summer. That tells me HE KNOWS SOMETHING about her. (I tried to find a clip from YouTube..could not.)

    Then when Laura is interviewing the HS friend...he seems to volunteer that he is not lying and says something like "Honest, I don't know where he is." I chuckled and shouted "She did not accuse you of lying to her!" lol

    I hope that IF it was them crossing the boarder, that they are fine. My gut tells me that people have seen them, but are covering for the McStay's.

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  15. I agree with the last post. Also thanks William for your input. I winder if it was even an employee that joey met with the day he disappeared? Maybe a doctor? Maybe he had am illness they didnt want known? I also find it very odd that thetes no other video surveilance of the ross stores, the res2aurant and hotel they wete spotted at or the ross stores. If there was no illegal activity what the heck are they hiding from? I mean the kids arent going to have any future or stanility boucing from town to town. I still havent ruled out WP bc there was a.comment i read the medication summer was calling about couls.have been a medicine callwd.anjer (sp) thats used for stomach pains. If they are alive they need to contact the families. Kristy

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  16. Another thing is how are they traveling between those countries worhoit passports and surviving without ids and birth certificates? Kristy

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  17. Hi Commenters. Thanks for sharing your ideas.

    Kristy, once you're in Mexico those things can be easily purchased on the black market.

    In fact, fake Mexican "citizenship" can easily be purchased on the black market in Mexico.

    If they even stayed in Mexico and didn't continue on to points elsewhere, like South America which is extremely probable considering that the land J.M. bought was down that way.

    I'm happy to say I am now (only AFTER that Laura Ling docu with its new disclosures) believe they are alive and together.

    But I do think S.M. is suffering from a serious mental illness (either borderline personality disorder or paranoid schizophrenia).

    As I said in this post, this is exactly what people with BPD--they mystifyingly (and deliberately) vanish with zero explanation.

    Read the message boards of people who have been suddenly abandoned with no explanation by people with BPD.

    It drives people nuts to be left in that way.

    But the person who vanishes totally shuts their existence out of his or her life.

    The only difference is here there is a husband going along with it (maybe she enforced an irrational promise out of him not to contact his family).

    This is probably why he was suffering from panic attacks. I mean Joseph.

    Living with someone living with a mentall illness as serious as BPD would have you totally going nuts yourself.

    That house looked that way because her mental illness was being exacerbated by the stress of the illness. She couldn't handle things.

    The first move looks so irrational precisely because it is irrational. And same deal with the flight from the new house.

    People flee to try to change the situation. Even educated, intelligent people will often do this when dealing with serious mental illness.

    They think things will get better if they only change the setting.

    I hope they did. Get better.

    But I suspect they're just dealing with their problems in a new environment.

    She was looking for that homeopathic medicine rather than getting real medical help because BPD people are terrified of those sort of social interactions--why she home birthed and home schooled most likely too.

    Sometimes a mental illness with which the person is "dealing" and managing to function will suddenly take a nose dive under new stress. As a bipolar person, I can vouch that's true. At almost exactly her same age, my bipolar disorder suddenly nose dived and made my life hell.

    And I didn't know I even was bipolar.

    Just as it's extremely probably Summer Mcstay is suffering from a mental illness that she doesn't recognize as such.

    BPD people disappear. Or many, many of them do.

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  18. Wow. Looking at it that way. The situation becomes really sad. It certainly sounds plausible (sp lol) i also wonder if summer had this disorder due to post pardum depression/psychosis? I kinda went throught that when my son was six months, hes now 2 1/2 and i still kinda deal with it, like i didnt leave the house and became paranoid and withdrawn, which is totally out of character for me. Or maybe it was caused by child abuse? Or maybe she was adopted? I also read that joseph was adopted and has tjat been confirmed?
    Kristy

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  19. Sorry to hear about the post-partum depression, Kristy.

    Yeah, that is very real and at least you didn't end up doing anything horrible during that period. There have actually been women so messed up by that they ended up injuring their kids--or worst.

    I mean when someone like Candice DeLong says this condition is totally real and based in hormonal things that happen in the body after birth, I know it's backed up by medicine and it's real.

    But unfortunately (as you said you thought at the time) so many people have no idea this condition even exists, so they don't understand why they suddenly feel "out of character" as you described what you felt here.

    What I read indicated that people with BPD tend to have had bad childhoods. Either the parent is abusive or acts completely distant. So that could explain her Mom's disinvolvement in the search. Or not. Don't want to sully someone's name when I could be wrong.

    I never heard that Joseph was adopted. If true, that's interesting. But if I was adopted, I think he got lucky. Because I now totally believe his family's grief is real and they love him a lot.

    I didn't even think of post-partum depression but I think the pattern in her life is abnormal behavior lasting a lot longer than just her childbirth years.

    To me, the clincher is that triad of facts: 1) some people changed her age by a few years. she changed hers by 12. 2) she changed her name multiple times. 3) she changed her ethnicity multiple times.

    To me, that indicates the problem with identity that probably is borderline personality disorder. it could be paranoid schizophrenia but a little less likely. Schizophrenics also tend to shift the facts of "reality" around a lot. But they don't know what they're doing usually. I think Summer looks to be more in control. Which would fit more with BPD.

    And BPD people have that horrible thing with just disappearing out of people's lives with no explanation. Online, they often refer to it as "The Vanishing Act" or "The Disappearing Act." I mean on message boards. Obviously, that's not a medical term. ;-)

    And Good Morning.

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  20. Perhaps I'm over simplifying things, but perhaps they both willingly left the United States to Mexico or Central or maybe even South America with the children.

    That may not have even been them in the video. That was only going off of the opinions of the McStay Family.

    For all we know they could be laying in a ditch somewhere.

    Honestly, I think this situation is filled with lies and deceit. I DO think Summer had something to hide, actually, I think both Summer and Joseph had something to hide and they both hid it from their family; together as a team that is. I think one of them may have had a secret, one which would lead to disapproval from the family. That may have been *why* they went to Mexico(or what we've assumed).

    While they both shared a secret, I think Summer may have had her own skeletons in the closet. But skeletons of which Joseph knew nothing about. I think her skeletons are irrelevant to the case actually, but I think burdened by both a shared secret and her own, she may have convinced Joseph to just pick up and leave.

    I can't bring myself to actually believe that they were murdered (although you CANNOT rule that out; closemindedness will get us nowhere).

    I really do believe this was committed by both, knowingly and willingly. Both had the drive to get away from their life here in America, but Summer only helped progress the plan and speed it up.

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  21. I want to know why all of this new information is all of a sudden coming out in the E! Investigation.

    You'd think this information would have been released as soon as possible. I know if I had a family member missing I'd release anything and everything that could lead to finding them.

    I'm not saying the family didn't care, but I find it odd...like they've had some time now to cover things up.

    I think the fault lies on both of them equally and I think they're more than likely dead.

    Look at the Szscepanik family situation. They were murdered by people who worked for them.
    I think everyone in this situation needs to quit ruling out possibilities because at this point anything is possible.

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  22. Thanks for your comments, Alyssa, and previous commenter.

    Alyssa, I wouldn't judge those people for not "releasing" that information then.

    Early in an investigation, people are often asked by the investigators NOT to release certain information, if they feel it will jeopardize the investigation.

    And some of that new information was highly personal and potentially character-damaging information, so friends do do that to friends. Especially if they think they're going to be found or return soon.

    I think by now people are so troubled by the disappearance that they can't help talking more, and release more of that info.

    Commenter above Alyssa. I've heard that from many people, the incredulity that this guy could still be making the sort of money he was making when the economy began to seriously tank.

    But this guy was smart. Maybe the timing of this disappearance (and a liquidation of assets?) points to a smart guy decided when to get out, cut his losses and run.

    But people don't normally "run" in this way. I'm convinced the wife was seriously mentally ill and suffered from either (most likely) borderline personality disorder or paranoid schizophrenia.

    If you live with someone like this, the only way you can stay with them is to indulge them in their delusions. And these people distrust the world immensely (see my other post "Is Summer McStay BPD or Paranoid Schizophrenic for more on this theory).

    She has these classic hallmarks of borderline personality disorder...

    FRAGMENTATION OF IDENTITY

    --Summer changed her name at least six and possibly as many as 11 times.

    --She routinely changed her ethnicity from her true Colombian background to ethnicities like Italian or "partly Asian."

    --She lied about her age by 12 years. Some people will lie and be off by a year or two but Interpol said she's off by 12.

    This looks so much like criminality because most people aren't trained to realize this is also classic borderline personality disorder behavior.

    And guess what? These people have the most distressing habit of suddenly vanishing out of peoples' lives--they pull a disappearing act.

    I think Joseph's recent panic attacks were from living with (and loving) someone suffering from a horrible mental illness like this.

    This is why she home birthed and why she home schooled. This is why people described her as a "hermit."

    The world view of people with BPD is of the world as a hostile and dangerous place. They hide. And when that no longer works, they disappear.

    Sometimes they can extort promises out of their loved ones to go along with their delusions.

    And since the economy was crashing anyway, this smart guy decided to try (yet another) move to see if that made things better.

    They're all alive and together.

    She's in hell.

    That house looked the way it did not because of a sudden attempt to grab stuff and exit the house.

    It gradually came to look like that because Summer was dealing with a serious mental illness and getting more and more dysfuntional. The move was too much for her in her fragile state and she snapped.

    This is why everything looks so irrational. Because an irrational person is calling the shots.

    BPD people undergo what's called "splitting" where sudenly people they know are "all good" or "all bad" (demonized). My guess is she had a splitting experience and demonized the in-laws.

    Joseph is indulging her, possibly under threat of the dissolution of the marriage or the loss of his kids.

    This is my theory.

    It makes sense of all the facts for me.

    They're alive if not well.

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  23. Mmmm, thinking about it that way, you could very well be right.

    Both of them may have been in a not so clear state of mind during the time period which they went missing.

    Re-reading your whole post, I looked to see if the documentary mentioned what she wanted a homeopathic remedy for (cause I forgot if the documentary mentioned it) and I do find it slightly odd that she was searching for some homeopathic remedy...who exactly was angry and what for?

    I also find it odd that it appears they suddenly left, you know, food everywhere. As if something interrupted them, forcing them to leave.

    Maybe there was something psychologically wrong with her and...

    The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. The leaving frantically with everything in the house misplaced; her aliases; missing for a couple of days before *actually* going missing.

    I truly wonder where they are...maybe they are hopping from place to place because of Summer...

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  24. Honestly I actually think Summer is a super sketch ball. I agree with the BPD theory...but I don't think that he is alive at all. She must have done something terribly wrong to Joseph. He has another kid from a previous marraige for crying out loud! I wouldn't think a family oriented man would just leave without thinking of his other son, no less leave zero trace. Its a bit unsettling to think but a person with serious mental problems is capable of this type of disconnection and may have possibly thought life would be better with out him. I hope I'm wrong but I seriously do not think that joseph mcstay is alive.

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  25. New commenters.

    I too believed J.M. was dead. Until I saw the new documentary.

    I believe if she killed him or had him killed or some lover, say, killed him (with or without her consent) then most likely Summer would probably be a sociopath.

    But I don't think anymore she is.

    Either the aliases mean criminality or they mean mental illness.

    I see too many things that look like mental illness to go with the other theory anymore.

    It's hard to believe a family man would cut off his family, but we don't really know what went on in that family. Maybe nothing did. I'm just saying. I've seen many men turn their backs on their entire extended family because of something that was said or done to their wives, or to them, and not look back. Or possibly she told him they had said or done something to her (being borderline or paranoid schizophrenic it would be par for the course to lie or hallucinate something like this).

    She relied totally on this guy to shield her from the world. She wanted to do things (ex. real estate agent) but it's no accident that friends call her a "hermit," that she home birthed and home schooled, etc.

    The BPD sufferer is terrified of the world. If you read my other post I go point by point down why I completely believe that's what this case is all about.

    Commenter above the last one: the remedy was for anger and she believed there was a homeopathic spray medicine called anger. If you read the MSN story in which detective DuGal gives out a lot of facts, it's in there. And the retailer seemed amused that she wanted something which doesn't exist. So, possibly hallucinating...or just called the wrong place. But it's disturbing that she felt she needed something like that to control anger. And it's disturbing that she wouldn't seek legitimate mental health help. But it makes perfect sense if she's BPD. She doesn't want any of those social interactions. She probably doesn't even know she's mentally ill. She probably thinks this is just how life is.

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    1. There are homeopathic remedies for anger management - here's an example of just one: http://www.nativeremedies.com/products/anger-soothe-control-emotional-outbursts.html?ysmchn=GGL&ysmcpn=Google+Main&ysmgrp=Anger-Soothe&ysmtac=PPC

      I suspect Summer had chosen the homeopathic path choice, given other of her decisions that we know about. There isn't anything indicative of mental illness that a woman chose home birth or to home school; women who choose a more natural path make these choices all the time.

      Also, BPD is not a mental illness. It is a personality disorder that is not treatable because it is immovable and basically untreatable - it developed as part of the person's personality, not an illness. Dysfunctional? Oh yes! But not a mental illness. It may be combined with narcissistic personality disorder, antisocial personality disorder, and others - none of them are nice either for the affected person or for anyone around the affected person.

      I just discovered your blog and appreciate all your thoughts. I have always believed that the McStays disappeared intentionally and had a large amount of money stashed to "go to", and thought the money was most likely criminally obtained. If so, it would explain their not wanting their families to know where they were.

      I have heard that Summer was not close with her own family; in fact, on the eve of her wedding, she told them not to come, that they were no longer invited - and it's my understanding that her family did not attend her wedding.

      Summer has serious dysfunction, in my opinion, and quite possibly BPD with narcissism (and sociopathy? maybe?) but I believe this entire disappearance was planned, orchestrated, performed and apparently at a brilliant level, by BOTH of them, Summer and Joey.

      I hope I'm right. I want all of them to be alive and well, in particular those darling little boys.

      Oh BTW - where in South America does Joey own property? Long ago I'd heard he owned property in Belize - is that the same property you speak of? (I didn't see the E! report but hope I can see the episode online; it sounds very interesting and like some new ground was made.)

      Thanks for your good thoughts on this blog; I'm enjoying reading your thoughts and the responses of your readers.

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  26. The bordeline personality theory is definitely possible. But for a man to just cut off his entire business? How did summer make a living before this? What an awful existence they must have if they are still alive. You must think joey is always looking behind his shoulder. Plus the boys to have no formal education is sad. Did the police ever release what the content of the text msgs were between summer and joey before th de y disappeared? Kristy

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  27. Hi Kristy. That was right when the economy had begun tanking, remember? So if you liquidate while you're still riding the wave of good business and get the hell out of Dodge you seriously come out ahead. Rather than staying and watching your business slowly die. So I think he had his own motives for indulging Summer's wish to hide from everyone. Plus we don't really know how close J.M. was to his family. And we wouldn't know if there's any "bad blood" between them. I don't think the McStays would tell people if there were, do you? It's counterintuitive. But if JM is angry at his family for something they said or did to him or his wife or grand kids, he might feel perfectly justified going right along with Summer's (by now clear) tendency to hole up and hide. Did you see her friends used the word "hermit" to describe her. Totally fits the BPD theory. Those kids are probably smart and will be fine. I think they have very loving parents (look at the sort of toys they got) and I don't think Mom's mental illness really impacts them in a negative manner--other than them being cut off from their family. Which is sad. Joseph's mother is clearly in great pain. It was difficult to see that in the interview, how much it really does hurt. I don't think the messages were between S.M. and J.M. but coming into their phones from others. And I haven't seen them released. Probably part of the investigation they don't want compromised. The one guy on the documentary did show his one message...remember the phone with the cracked face? Bill

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  28. I think they know by now how high-profile their case has come and I'm guessing this is putting increasing stress on them...which is the opposite of the intent of the move (after my theory).

    People without mental illness (unless there's criminal activity yet undiscovered--and I don't think there is) would have probably "checking in" by now.

    But if you're dealing with BPD paranoia, all this publicity is paradoxically going to have the OPPOSITE effect and make this person want to hide all the more.

    Because how many people are going to try to talk to you now? I mean now that several countries are hunting for you and want an explanation.

    If S.M. knows this I'm guessing it freaks her the hell out.

    If his family does have bad blood with him, the smartest thing they could do is confess it in one of those interviews and hope he sees the apology.

    It wouldn't do the trick with Summer, but it might do the trick with Joseph.

    Just my thoughts.

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  29. I wonder when is the last time anyone actually SAW Summer? Maybe if she's as mentally ill as you think, she might self mutilate, OR, better yet change her look completely in anticipation of fleeing. Why didn't she have the Rosetta Stone stuff brought to her/their home? If she's capable of changing names/identities, I bet she doesn't look the way we think she does anymore either. Also, I think M.M. is hiding something. He strikes me as very odd. Finally, there are satellite photos of every area in this world. Why can't M.M. pay up and get those expensive photos to see WHO parked that car at the San ysidro border? Expensive, but do-able.

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  30. I agree M.M is strange. Somethings not right with him. And his reward is only $1000 dollars. And I J.M wasn't friends with M.M on facebook. Maybe they weren't close. I no im friends with my sister and brother on facebook. I also 100% believe J.M is dead. Does anyone think the investigators on the case no more then there letting it off to be? They just have no proof?

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  31. I'm guessing that's the case. That they do have suspects and just aren't letting that information out. Some people close to the McStays have to be or have been under surveillance, you'd think. Because there were some shady characters. Is the reward really that low? That's pathetic, if so.

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  32. They're in witness protection and cannot be found (of course, when the brother asked that the police declined it was the case as that's what they must do).

    They're in this situation as a result of something from Summer's past, and that knock on the door late one evening was the beginning of it all.

    He is now bald as he's been getting treatment in Mexico for his illness, which has progressed to something more serious.

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  33. If I'm remembering correctly, Mike said he and Joey spoke twice a week, and always on Fridays. So, when Mike repeatedly calls the house and gets no answer, why does he not call Joey's cell, Summer's cell, go to the house and look for them, realize they are nowhere to be found and go from there? No, he repeatedly calls only the house, waits a week or so, then crawls in through a loose window??
    I initially thought the man identified as a friend of Summer's seemed suspect, but can't say why. Just a gut reaction.

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  34. Maybe I read/watch too many true crime stories, but on hearing Summer asking for a homeopathic remedy called Anger, my first thought was it was a code word for something else.

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  35. Hi, I've been following your posts regarding the Mcstay family and the most recent E special that was on it...would you happen to know if this was posted online at all?

    Thank you

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  36. Hi. I'm not quite sure what you're asking? If the telescript was posted online? Or the actual show? If you mean show, I'd say Hulu...maybe? I don't know.

    If you mean a telescript of the show, I don't think that would be easy to find online.

    Maybe I completely misunderstood what you're asking. If so, let me know.

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  37. Commenter a few posts up who mentioned BPD and said it's not a mental illness? Not sure why your comment posted in such an odd place and not at the tail end. Did you change the date on your comment when you left it? That's odd. Maybe Blogger is acting up!

    In any case, I am responding to you....

    Thanks for your thoughtful comments and perspective. I take my information from mental health references and resources and asser that BPD is a mental illness, even if it is a personality disorder. Its diagnostic criteria are listed in the DSM. I just Googled it and the first site I went to was the well-regarded Mayo Clinic which opens its article on "Personality Disorder" with these two sentences: "A personality disorder is a type of mental illness in which you have trouble perceiving and relating to situations and to people — including yourself. There are many specific types of personality disorders."

    Just because some mental disorders aren't currently treated very successfully with medications (they may be in the future) does not mean they don't meet the criteria to be "mental illness." I do hear some educated people say that they don't believe sociopathy (which isn't even a term used by the DSM--they prefer "antisocial personality disorder"--and there are subclasses in that classification) is NOT on a continuum with other mental illnesses.

    Usually, these seem to be people who work in law enforcement, psychiatric forensics, criminal profiling, etc. But even there, perhaps we are segregating these (admittedly horrible) people from the other types of mental illness because 1)They are often highly capable and 2) They lack empathy and are capable of monstrous acts. We want to throw them as far from the human race as we can. Well, I know I do. So we say they aren't even remotely like us. I can see why people feel that way.

    But even with these individuals, neuroscientists are now discovering that antisocial personality disorder is often the result of a pathological brain. Here's a study cited: "When a psychopath does inherit genetically-based, developmental disabilities, its is usually a stunted development of the higher functions of the brain. 30-38% of psychopaths show abnormal brain wave patterns, or EEGs."

    I've seen studies that put the number much higher. But perhaps it is often cognitive dysfunction or horrible upbringing. From another study: The following are environmental factors, psychiatrists say, which create a sociopath:

    Studies show that 60% of psychopathic individuals had lost a parent;
    Child is deprived of love or nurturing; parents are detached or absent;
    Inconsistent discipline: if father is stern and mother is soft, child learns to hate authority and manipulate mother;
    Hypocritical parents who privately belittle the child while publicly presenting the image of a "happy family".

    Not that I think J.M. or S.M. were sociopaths. But if one of them was I'd put my money on Summer. I think she loved her family but it's quite probably she suffers from B.P.D.

    I too hope this entire family is alive and well.

    I think he owned land off the coast of Costa Rica. I believe it was near a town on the mainland named Ambergris.

    But you might want to research that. My memory is a little foggy on that.

    Cheers.

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  38. Oh, and that homeopathic medicine called "Anger" acutally does exist. I was surprised to see someone provided a link on another site to where it was being sold. I didn't base my theory that Summer suffers from borderline disorder only on that or the decisions to both home birth and homeschool.

    It was based on a number of traits indicating unstable identity, including the constant name changes, change of age, change of ethnicity, etc.

    And the fact of the disappearance itself. Another trait of BPD sufferers when they undergo the phenomenon known as "splitting"--when they demonize certain people and shut them out of their lives.

    This is just a theory, obviously.

    She could have been into criminal acitivies.

    But since the police never seemed to uncover any such misdoings, maybe mental illness really is the cause of the family's flight.

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  39. Also, I found this: "Personality disorders are included as mental disorders on Axis II of the Diagnostic manual of the American Psychiatric Association, and in the mental and behavioral disorders section of the ICD manual of the World Health Organization."

    So personality disorders = mental illness.

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  40. I'm not going to argue mental illness/disorder but to state that most practitioners do NOT categorize personality disorders as mental illnesses. It is an ongoing dialogue. This article, although British, describes the issue very well (and also references the World Health Organization position, which does much to regulate classifications of illness): http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/180/2/110.full

    "Stop Walking on Eggshells" http://www.amazon.com/Stop-Walking-Eggshells-Borderline-Personality/dp/157224108X is an excellent book describing characteristics of and life with a BPD. One of the authors, Randi Kreger, maintains an outstanding website here: http://www.bpdcentral.com/index.php

    When you speak of "splitting", it doesn't mean the BPD leaves and goes into hiding. It means that they see relationships as black or white, all or nothing. When the BPD "paints someone black", the BPD does shun them; they are of no use to the BPD anymore and the BPD simply casts them aside and finds a new person to suck off. BPDs are emotional vampires; they have no emotions of their own and constantly look for clues about how to act.

    They are completely egocentric, totally: it's ALL about them, them, them.

    (to be continued)

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  41. Part Two


    One complete giveaway that someone has found a BPD in their life is that they, the normal person, begins to think that they are the crazy one.

    That brings me back to Summer and Joey; I do believe Summer is BPD. Joey's illnesses, headaches, etc. could have been brought about by his reacting to Summer's BPD (you were incorrect in stating that BPD's don't hurt anyone: quite to the contrary, they destroy peoples' lives and if Summer is raising her boys, they will be negatively affected by her).

    (If you want to see a classic BPD with Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Antisocial Personality Disorder combined, look to Casey Anthony.)

    Ahhh, I really don't want this to turn into a diatribe about BPD; it's fascinating but very wearing and painful for the people around them. One of the best descriptions I have heard about a BPD is: someone throws a bomb into a village and watches while it erupts, burns, and people are running around in all directions as you would expect - then the BPD goes back and offers to help, AND MEANS IT.

    They LOVE being the center of attention; if they cannot control and use certain people, however, they don't want to be around them. They need a constant source of what is called "emotional supply" and they will go to whom will provide it, use that person, and cast the person aside when the person wises up or is destroyed by the BPD, and consequently of no use any longer.

    I had access to some close information about Summer and Joey, which is how I learned that on the eve of their wedding, Summer called her family and told them she didn't want them at the wedding, not to come; and they didn't.

    The reason they were evicted from their beach home was not because of money, but because of Summer's housekeeping; it was so bad that people living on the other side of the duplex complained.

    Joey's land is not off the coast of Costa Rica, but is in Belize. Ambergris Caye is off Belize. http://ambergriscaye.com/index.php

    If I were a surfer and wished to disappear, I would go to Nicaragua. Great surf. https://www.google.com/search?q=nicaragua+surfing&hl=en&rlz=1C1CHKZ_enUS439US439&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ynoYT56RHuLq2AWSgtX6Cw&ved=0CFYQsAQ&biw=1025&bih=569

    And no, that is not a hint; I have no idea where they are but it's going to be around great surf, for sure.

    This case is fascinating and puzzling but I believe it was planned and executed by Summer and Joey and if so, they did a great job with their disappearance.

    I'm glad you looked at the link about Anger homeopathic medicine; there are several companies that make a natural product for Anger; the clerk who handled and scoffed at Summer's request for it simply didn't know his homeopathic medicines ;-)

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  42. Hi. To the commenter with whom I am having the conversation about BPD. Don't know why your posts never go to the tail end of the discussion but post higher up. It's odd!

    Looks like we will have to agree to disagree, because I did the research and from what I'm reading you're wrong about it not being considered a mental illness.

    I mean the DSM is the Bible of these people and I posted above what it says about which axis it's classified under and W.H.O.'s agreement.

    You are free to believe whatever you want to believe. Even if your belief is not backed up by facts.

    I'm not going to argue with you either. I showed you what the DSM says. You can create your own paradigm. But stating that the majority agrees with you is an inaccuracy.

    I understand what "splitting" is.

    I didn't say that the leaving was synonymous with "splitting." I said that splitting results in people being demonized (which you seem to understand) and that IN THIS CASE it could have resulted in her convincing her husband to leave with her and the kids and shun his family.

    Again you misquoted or misinterpreted me when you say how you're sure S.M. is making the life of those around her very difficult.

    I said this doesn't mean the person is dangerous. This means I don't believe she's likely to physically harm anyone. I made it quite clear IF she even has B.P.D. that I thought this might be behind J.M. developing panic attacks. Alternately, under the "criminal activities" theory the panic attacks could be due to the stress and worry of being caught.

    I know how firsthand how painful dealing with a person with B.P.D. can be.

    (continued below...too many characters)

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  43. My experience was VERY unpleasant. I had become friends with a deeply disturbed woman and tried to respond to her litany of problems and encourage her in her artistic endeavors.

    But you did a GREAT job of describing the paradigm. Or at least my experience with this individual.

    I'm bipolar and he had always presented herself as bipolar to me. This was a lie, I later learned. Everything about her life was classic B.P.D.

    She hates her parents and no longer communicates with them. She routinely changes her online identity by creating and deleting Facebook personalities, blog personalities, visual arts personalities, etc. And she wants attention. If she doesn't get attention from people, she attacks them in an outright or underhanded manner.

    You end up feeling like an idiot for befriending a person like this.

    Because they betray you when they go through the inevitable splitting and decide you're the enemy. They badtalk you to others and share any confidences you might have shared with them. They depend upon "the kindness of strangers" and then repay that with hate.

    This person just stopped talking to me one day for no reason.

    I began to seriously worry that she was injured or possibly even dead.

    I wrote to her at intervals begging her to just let me know she was okay. Because I cared about this person.

    The ONLY TIME she responded was when I talked about BPD and her (abstractly--no details that anyone could identify her--same as I'm doing now) on my blog.

    Then instantly an email came crashing through that she had a potentially fatal illness (transparent lie) and that she never wanted to hear from me again.

    I mean this email was written moments after I had posted the comment to my blog.

    So she was just being a sick asshole and ghosting me and enjoying my concern for her welfare.

    You can probably imagine how I feel about her now.

    I know she suffers from a mental illness. A personality disorder.

    But a stray dog with rabies would be more likely to gain entrance into my life than she ever would again at this point.

    I suspect her parents did quite a number on her.

    And for that I'm sorry.

    As you can tell, you touched a nerve with the BPD thing.

    Maybe you had firsthand experience too and maybe you want to deny the person the "excuse" of being mentally ill so you can judge them more.

    If so, I understand your feelings.

    It's not easy caring for someone like that to discover they are capable of turning so completely like that.

    In a sense, they're like the cursed individuals of literature of the past.

    They really are walking Greek tragedies.

    I prefer to change the channel to a comedy

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  44. Also, I think the missing four days occurred because they were waiting for false passports/ID. It's possible that they went to pick up the IDs and there was an error on one or more, requiring the ID to be re-done, and it took four days to do so. I would love to know where they were holed up for those four days.

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  45. And Casey is troubled by more than B.P.D. You don't need the B.P.D. or the narcissistic personality disorder if she's affected by the most extreme form of Antisocial Personality Disorder.

    The most extreme form of that (end of the continuum) is where you get the killers like C.A.

    She is the classic "sociopath/psychopath" in the legal sense.

    As I mentioned above, "sociopath" is not DSM terminology.

    It's considered the most extreme manifestation of a personality disorder--the one at the end of the continuum where there is zero empathy with others and an ability to completely detach from the sufferings of others. Which is why people like this Anthony commit murders and not even be bothered a single moment by what they have done. They go dancing. They do whatever.

    Yes, as I said I wasn't sure where that was. I'm fairly certain the show said that was off the coast of Costa Rica, but I'm never surprised when t.v. shows have misinformation in them. Or possibly I misremembered, as I said might have happened.

    Thanks for your comments.



    Modern psychiatry is still very sloppy and there is so much overlap between the categories and illnesses.

    But

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  46. *ignore the tail end there. I didn't notice in the editing a few sentences had slipped down below.

    I was just going into a diatribe better left unwritten about modern psychiatry.

    I'll spare ya.

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  47. And thanks for the links to other sites, particularly the helpful ones on B.P.D.

    Because someone might find those sites (and needed help) through those links.

    Cheers.

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  48. Yes, you definitely had a BPD in your life! By the way, when she presented herself as bipolar to you - the way a BPD makes friends, gets "in", is by reflecting back to the person who the person is - in your case, bipolar. They are very skillful at this and generally on first contact, the person thinks the BPD is just great! (after all, she's reflecting back to the person who the person is - who doesn't like that?)

    And yes, the drama, the Drama, the DRAMA! Unending.

    I'm sorry for BPDs but I can never have another one in my life; one good thing about being exposed to a BPD is that you can recognize another one quickly when she comes along ;-)

    The BPD in my life created enormous chaos, pain, difficulties. I have no problem recognizing the behavior; I'm not trying to deny the BPD an "excuse" - person is fully aware of actions (but does not understand consequences of those actions). BPDs do not think they are ill or that there is anything at all wrong with them (which is why they are so hard to treat; many shrinks will not even attempt to treat a BPD). I got to the point that I had to release the BPD from my life, painful as that was, but even now there are vestiges of the damage created by the BPD.

    I have spoken with many shrinks/counselors about BPD and most of them do not consider BPD to be mental illness; BPDs are so good, by the way, that they even fool the professionals for a while, and reel in the shrink to provide their emotional supply. Hello! It's always a rude awakening!

    It's entirely possible that Joey is caught up in Summer's BPD and simply doesn't know it. BPDs make others' lives a living hell.

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  49. You're welcome for the BPD sites. They are very useful. Quick story: I was reading on BPD Central the night that Cindy Anthony first appeared on TV, on Greta VS's show -- the one where she was complaining that she didn't eat, only drank water, didn't sleep -- didn't want to talk about Casey's involvement -- told Greta she was close to collapsing right there on her stage, and if Greta kept asking her questions about Casey, she would collapse right there and Greta wanted that for TV value! -- and on and on. Well, a conversation lit up on the BPD Central site; people watching the show had nailed Cindy immediately as having Borderline Personality Disorder with coexisting Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Nailed from the start! LOL

    Now, back to the missing McStays ....

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  50. Thanks for sharing this.

    Yeah, it took me over two years to figure out that was what she was doing with the reflection bit.

    I began to realize she never had mania and her depressions didn't fit the pattern either.

    She's in the "poetry world" and she was always getting in fights with other poets and then dragging me into them. And I'm a recovering alcoholic but at that time was drinking. So you can imagine the delight (Oh the DRAMA! you mention) she got out of getting a drunken bipolar poet involved in her fights. That was really throwing gasoline on the old fire.

    And what's really sad is I deeply regret things I did because of her. Don't get me wrong. I did a lot of stupid things on my own. Mania and alcohol are a HORRIBLE mix. I would experience irrational anger towards people who had been kind to me. I have a lot of guilt over this and gnaw at myself daily. But what can I do but try to learn from this and go forward. At least I never physically harmed anyone. But I deeply rue words I spoke. I usually ended up apologizing but you can't retract cruel words.

    I should have known. I tell myself now. Because when she had started trouble with a writer who had more fame than she did, she presented the facts as the complete opposite of that. And I had been drinking and verbally attacked this woman on my blog. And she saw it and was hurt. And I deleted it and apologized the next day (when this woman told me the truth of the matter--my ex-friend had started it all with cruel words---this writer had been ignoring her and she's "not just gonna be ignored" (Fatal Attaction, lol).

    But here's where I should have known. The next day, sober and horrified at my words of the night before. What I had said was really childish...I called her a diva and said something about her age...that's the extent of it...BUT BUT BUT...I didn't know this but this woman was going through a breakup with the love of her life and a marriage of ten years. And he had left her for...wait for it...a much younger woman. So I had just waltzed in and said the worst thing possible. THINK THINK THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK. I am yelling at myself there.

    (oh, i overtalked again..continued below)

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  51. But why I should have known my friend's true (lack of) character?

    When I told her the next day how AWFUL I felt about what I had done, she told me it was fine. I had only been "defending her." Therefore in her mind it was justified.

    She was mentally patting me on the back for being her cat's paw.

    I'm an idiot. Or was.

    Sorry you had this experience too. We were just friends. I can't even imagine what it must be like if someone had to be in a marriage or romantic relationship with someone like that.

    It's weird that they say talk therapy has a better outcome than medication.

    I did often feel sorry for this person as her life is often a lonely one.

    But on the other hand (as you describe) her ability to socially get on is much better than mine EVER was.

    She would constantly approach the writers who had any degree of fame and suck up to them. But it was transparent that she hated them for their fame and badmouthed them all the time. She resented that they had what she wanted.

    But these friendships are constantly broken, sometimes remade. She just moves on to a new feeding ground usually.

    I'm the opposite of her with that stuff. I find it much harder to find ambition because ultimately I know that kind of recognition doesn't bring you happiness. Happiness can only come from inside and I'd rather work on that than the outwards manifestations that make other people think you're happy or that they should be envious of you.

    I think I have Avoidant Personality Disorder too though. I haven't been officially diagnosed with that but I have all those traits. This is probably partially why I beat myself up over the past all the time.

    But enough about me.

    I wish I was a mathematician so I'd have something to focus on that had clear, objective answers as opposed to muddy swirls of water like my mind and its past.

    At least I plan on getting out of this planet with no blood on my hands.

    But I can see why people so often retreat from life.

    It's a killer. ;-)

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  52. This is a very good article on Narcissistic Personality Disorder; I suspect that Summer has a very healthy (ummm, unhealthy) dose of this:

    http://www.neirr.org/psychissues/Personality_Disorders.htm

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  53. One last thing. I talked publicly on my blog about my bipolar disorder and my problems with this. And while she would talk about her (fake ass) bipolar disorder with me in emails she made it clear to me NEVER TO MENTIONAL MENTAL ILLNESS WITH REGARD TO HER anywhere. She didn't want people to know this.

    Now this makes me very angry. The liar that she is.

    She didn't want me to mention this (I see now) because PEOPLE ARE HER STOCK AND TRADE.

    She doesn't want anyone forewarned that they should lock all the doors, windows and even blogs when they see her coming.

    Well, they should.

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  54. I said last thing but here's the funniest thing of all about the reflection you mention. With straight people she was straight; with gay people gay; and with bisexual people she was bi.

    I am seriously LOLing just remembering this.

    I think the only one she never lied to was her cat.

    Although we'd have to interview him to be sure. ;-)

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  55. I'm quite sure she probably lied to her cat too, LOL :-) They cannot help it.

    But then, when my cat would grumble when I was making leaving noises to go to work, I told her that SOMEONE had to go to work to bring home the bacon -- but then, I brought her tuna instead.

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  56. Somehow I don't think you got complaints with the tuna.

    Unless you're cat was in the mood for mahi-mahi. :-)

    Interesting that the group of people constellated around that website were so aware of the signs of that disorder. But that makes sense.

    Overall, though, it is one of the least recognized or understood disorders out there, I'd wager.

    Because it just doesn't catch on with the popular imagination the way say, bipolar disorder or paranoid schizophrenia have.

    I wonder why not.

    It's not as though it lacks any dramatic potential or scripting possibilities. As you point out, these people LIVE for drama. Create the drama and let the eddies of attention swirl around them.

    That seems to be the modus operandi.

    My BPD friend also physically moves constantly. Apartment to mobile home to apartment. State to state.

    I couldn't possibly imagine the energy this must require.

    Moving is somewhere high up on that list of the most stressful things in life.

    I think it's only down a couple notches from like "death" and "divorce."

    I'm joking there, but only partially.

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  57. My thoughts about the dogs: clearly Summer loved the older dog. I think they got the new puppy to keep the older dog company, KNOWING THAT THE DAY WAS COMING SOON that they would be leaving the dog(s) behind, and it would be better for the old dog to have a companion for this upcoming ordeal.

    I think Summer did not in her wildest dreams think it would take so long for someone to look after the dogs.

    Dog beds were left in the shed for the dogs; were the dog beds always there? These doggies were pretty much house dogs. Did Summer put the dog beds in the shed so the dogs would be more comfortable, out of the weather, and so on?

    I know that a large bag of dog food was found in the shed. Did Summer put it there, opened, so the dogs could help themselves? Or did a neighbor or the animal control people put it there after the dogs were discovered?

    I heard that an outside tap was open. Did Summer leave the tap open for the dogs to get water, or did someone else open the tap after the dogs were discovered?

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  58. Interesting. The BPD in my life moved a lot, too. And I think moving is THE most stressful activity in life!

    The people at BPD Central can recognize BPD behavior in a heartbeat. They've all been victimized by BPDs (the site is for survivors of BPDs, not the BPDs themselves).

    Many movie directors and producers are well along the narcissistic continuum themselves :-) Personality disorders reflect an overabundance of personality traits we all have, blown out far along the continuum.

    Many very successful individuals - CEOs, politicians, etc. are quite well along the narcissistic continuum too. A healthy ego is great and necessary for success, but when overdone become very toxic.

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  59. I have read many different descriptions of Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

    That's one I joke about in my Blogger profile even though I'm not actually (Thank God!) afflicted by that.

    I have encountered a few of those people.

    I liked this sentence: "There are malignant narcissists among subsistence farmers in Africa, nomads in the Sinai desert, day laborers in East Europe, and intellectuals and socialites in Manhattan and London. Malignant narcissism is all pervasive and independent of culture and society."

    The author is right to advise caution though, with regard to "healthy narcissism" versus the pathological variety.

    Yeah, David Koresh.

    Not sure if you are as addicted to true crime t.v. (like Investigation Discovery) as I am, but I had the first Craigslist Killer (Phillip Markoff) pegged as NPD.

    He was a wonder boy with some scary paraphilias and it all fell apart when he was unmasked.

    I'm definitely bipolar (even worse: bipolar I) and thought I had agoraphobia (a p.a. had "confirmed" my self-diagnosis with that).

    But now I think my tendencies are more indicative of Avoidant Personality Disorder.

    In my teenage years, I did the same thing. Hid from everyone.

    I really should join one of these online support/talk groups since that's the "appropriate" place to discuss these things I guess...and those people have signed on to hear one's personal messes, so to speak.

    It blows my mind that all through my twenties and thirties I had no clue that I was bipolar.

    The creepy thing about sociopaths is one wants to think, "How can they not know they're different and be horrified by how different they are?"

    But the reason why they give sociopaths a prognosis of about zero chance of recovery is because the nature of the disorder is to simply not care about others' perspectives at all.

    It made me by turns furious and creeped out when reading recently some of the comments made by the BTK killer about how he was going to act in court.

    He would say things like "I guess I"m going to have to cry tomorrow so they believe I have remorse."

    He was President of his Church!

    He had those narcissist traits in superabundance.

    I was surprised to learn there were psychotic elements to his pathology too.

    Because he thought these people he murdered were going to be his slaves (some sex slaves) in the Afterlife.

    So that echoes what it says in the article about NPD and how these people use God to their own hideous ends.

    Dahmer was the same way with believe by killing people he was accruing sex slaves for the afterlife.

    One of the scariest things about these monsters is that you realize if you trace all this back in their lives, somewhere there's a normal human need that has gotten hideously distorted.

    But then serial killers seem to occur when paraphilias are indulged early in life and cruelty to animals, say, causes sexual arousal and somehow the ideas become "cross-contaminated"---sex and violence become linked.

    But some would argue that you're seeing the manifestation not the cause.

    And others might take an evolutionary biological stance and say this is deep brain, limbic behavior.

    Throwback to primate behavior--the Desmond Morris, etc. school of thinking.

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  60. Interesting you use the word "toxic."

    Just think. Some people don't even dip into the nuances of psychology.

    They just decide someone is "toxic" and move on.

    I wish I could see the world in such shades of toxic/non-toxic but can't.

    I know you clearly see the nuances too.

    But you made me remember someone I knew who saw everyone in those binary terms.

    And the funny thing is, her judgment steered her right!

    She has a good life because she had simple, good rules and when people violated them she said "Bye!"

    I think a big part of me envies her wisdom.

    But then she's not mentally ill herself so doesn't really need to reckon the terms or the rest.

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    1. Actually I give people a great deal of latitude. I see the world in shades of gray, not black and white. I prefer some peoples' behavior over others, but recognize that there are enormous variances among individuals. Actually I like variances - variety, and all.

      But I like what a friend of mine says about people in her life: "Bad people need not apply."

      The word "toxic" for me, when applied to an individual, has to be well earned. When I recognize toxicity, however, I escort the person out of my life.

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  61. I don't know about the doggie beds but from what I heard most of the kindness towards the dogs was first from neighbors who had noticed they had been abandoned (probably the barking signaled them?) and then the animal control people began stopping by. Later they were removed. I read somewhere the one dog (Bear?) died a year to the date after the family vanished. Sad.

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  62. I'm off to dinner. Enjoyed chatting with you. Ciao for now.

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  63. Whoever said about the four days for getting fake i.d.'s/passports, etc.

    I've said that before too...on this blog.

    I said I wondered if they had checked all the courier services (and especially the smaller ones and not just FED-EX and DHL) for the various known aliases of S.M., to see if anything had been shipped in that period.

    I've read you can get almost anything you need on the Mexican black market and created a new identity there is very easy and inexpensive.

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  64. Ciao - I too am off to dinner and a movie with my significant other.

    Nice chatting with you.

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  65. Is the Laura Ling episode covering the McStays available online? I've searched for it but can't find it. From the e!Investigates page, when I pull up "Episodes", I get a blank page. ?

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  66. Anonymous asking about how to see the Laura Ling documentary...I'm not sure about online availability. Have you tried Hulu? If not there, I'd try simpling typing "Watch E documentary Laura Ling" in Google and see what comes up. But use the quotes. I was surprised to learn from commenters on here that the episodes of DISAPPEARED on ID are now available through Netflix. And commenters were watching the show that way. That's smart of the networks to market like that. And I think someone had even downloaded the show to their hand-held device (Blackberry or something). So there seem to be a lot of options. I don't think they ever put full episodes up on the ID site but I could be wrong. In any case, when I go chasing after something there I usually get at most a snippet or teaser of the show. Maybe it's just the things I was looking for they didn't have. Thanks for your comment. Maybe someone else here will have a more certain answer for you. Oh, and E! seems to be rerunning that a lot so maybe go forward in your DVR's menu to see when it next crops up. The average lately has been less than once a week, I'm guessing as a response to the overwhelming interest the program has generated. Cheers.

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  67. Thanks! I will try these suggestions until I hit pay dirt!

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  68. It's insanely frustrating that I can't find the E! episode everyone is talking about. Could someone provide a link? I've been following this case from day one but only have Internet, not access to network TV or cable.

    Information about missing people should be widely available, say on YouTube or Hulu, for FREE. It's too important to limit the info. Valuable time may have been lost in doing so.

    I Googled E! Mcstay and this blog came up - an interesting read about the Mcstay mystery. I thought very early on that Summer was hiding something and posted on the family site saying so and now it would appear to be true.

    People DO disappear willingly for various reasons. It's heartbreaking for the family and friends left behind, but it happens. Tragic. (just one example: Olivia Newton John's beau vanished some years ago and later showed up in Mexico I believe.)

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  69. I have been following the McStay case and just learned something new: not only do the McStays own property near Ambergris Caye, they have long time family friends who have lived there for 35 years and are in the real estate business. Hmm, who better to assist them in hiding south of the border? Apparently the McStay family gave LE the friend's contact info down in Ambergris Caye and they were questioned, but it has never been confirmed by anyone other than Michael McStay. Hmmm

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  70. I'm new to this blog. I want to read as much as possible about the McStay family. My husband have spent a lot of time in Belize, specifically San Pedro on Ambergris Caye and I want to get more information on what happened and how we can help! This poor family must be absolutely haunted by the things that could have happened or the rumors they may be hearing! Where can I go to read/research and learn the most?

    Thank you! God bless! You are welcome to e-mail me directly if you wish!

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  71. We have a lot of friends on Ambergris Caye (some are quite well known) there. We know the mayor and many, many of the business owners. We will start asking around, but I still need more information!

    Thanks!

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  72. Hi Lydia and thanks for your words. I honestly believe the family is alive and does not want to be found. Did you see how low the reward is for this family, despite the money generated and contributed to their search? I don't think this story is what it seems. I think this is a willful disappearance. Even if the State Department knows where they are, they're not going to divulge it if the McStays have done nothing wrong and choose to remain "missing."

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  73. hello, i have been following this blog for a while now and i too have been fascinated with this case. i would like to offer my 2 cents based on a personal experience. my wife reminds me alot of summer, in reference to the eggs left out and the mess in the house. my wife has a habit of leaving things out when she uses them, such as if she pours a bowl of cereal, the cereal box will be left out and the milk will be left on the counter as well for hours at times unless i happen to see them and i put them away. my wife will also leave eggs out if she makes breakfast. i dont know what it is, as she is not lazy but often times neglects doing these things and it drives me crazy. if we order in, my wife will leave the table if she is done eating and leave the wrappers behind open and not even bother to throw them away. when she washes clothes, the clothes can sometimes stay in the dryer for days unless i notice and put them away. i learned early on that if i wanted a clean house, i needed to maintain it my self. i have a feeling this is the type of person summer is and that house was found like that because that is the way she kept it and everyone is confusing it as if someone left in a hurry. i see the picures of summer and the lack of summers presence in many of the photos and videos and it reminds me of my wife alot. my wife was having an affair years ago and she always had a blank look in her face. it always looked as if she was somewhere else in her mind. this all began after she gave birth to our daughter and i could tell she was suffering from some type of pp depression. this leads me to believe that maybe summer was having an affair. maybe with dan? why would dan be texting her? my wife does not text with my friends of business associates so this seems odd to me. maybe dan was coming around the house when joey wasnt around, so the kids felt comfortable around him. my wife would talk on the phone with her "lover" alot, to the point that when he would call my house and my daughter would answer, she would tell my wife that her friend was calling. maybe joey found out about this and that is why they were meeting. when i found out about my wifes affair, i came home and told her we needed to be somewhere. when i pulled up to her "lovers" apt, the look on her face was priceless. when i confronted him with her present, everything came out in the open. why she cheated, how she felt, and pretty much how my neglect caused her to do what she did. maybe the same happened with joseph. maybe one of the kids innocently tipped him off that uncle dan was coming around alot and he was going to confront the two together. maybe things got ugly and dan murdered joseph and summer had no choice but to get away with him, or maybe joey was so hurt that he did not want to go back to that house knowing what had been going on there. maybe joey promised her a better life knowing she was unhappy and they just simply left together. back to the lack of presence of summer in photos. my wife would do her best not to be photographed or videoed with the rest of us, for fear that her "lover" would somehow see these pictures and doubt that she really was unhappy in her life. maybe this is why joey was having panic attacks. i know i did when i found out what i did and was difficult to deal with. idk if any of this make sense, just sharing an opinion.

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  74. This is my first visit to this blog, though I have read plenty of others. I did not read through all the comments, so I apologize if the the questions/thoughts I post have been discussed. To be frank, I get tired of wading through comments and theories that completely lack ANY basis in fact. I get there is a lot of room to theorize in this case, but diagnosing Summer with various mental illnesses based on so little info and continued speculation about an affair that investigators have not found evidence of in TWO years, seems more like the stuff gossip is made of.

    The question I have, is WHY does everyone assume Summer was looking for "ANGER" for herself? It is known JM was having anxiety and panic attacks (which I am very familiar with). Irritability and restlessness are symptoms of anxiety, and are symptoms that ANGER claims to treat. Many wives, and especially stay at home moms, would take on the role of researching available treatments, because husband is working, and many women also just have that care taking gene. Her inquiry does not have to mean she was looking to treat her own anger issues-nor does it necessarily mean that she, or anyone else, was having murderous angry outbursts. Even if she were having uncontrolled angry outbursts, still doesn't mean she killed her husband, case closed. Lots of people have tempers and never kill anyone. If Summer killed out of rage, the more likely scenario would have been that MM would have entered the home to find JM dead and Summer or Summer and the kids gone.

    I also did see some comments alluding to JM's mother and brother now having doubts about Summer. I agree the Laura Ling special gave that impression, but I have not gotten that impression from the McStay family website, run by MM himself. In fact, "admin" recently made it a point to take a post from the website guestbook made by Summer's sister, in defense of Summer, and make it an article. That was in January 2012 and the admin comments reminding people that family reads the website comments, did not strike me as someone who was regarding her with suspicion.

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  75. Thanks for your comment and thoughts on this troubling case.

    People try to form theories and in this case early on there were limited facts available, so speculation was wild. Homicide between spouses is not as rare as some people probably believe, and early on many people went that direction with the theorizing, including myself.

    About the speculation on possible adultery leading to murder, I agree with you that this would have PROBABLY come out in the investigation, but then we might not really know if information about an affair was discovered. The police are not going to come out and tell you everything they know. That's not how any investigation is conducted. They use the media when it benefits them and they are mindful of liability issues when they speak. They release information selectively. Think about the lawsuits they could face if they made allegations of an affair. Even if they had every reason to believe it appeared to be true from evidence, but couldn't actually physically prove it, and then Summer reappears out of the void and sues them (or the hypothesized lover sues them as well).

    Same deal with this even if it were J.M. who the police suspected of involvement with another. I'm not saying I believe that situation is even the case here, but I don't think your "TWO YEARS" emphasis really means what you think it does.

    I believe there is ample evidence and numerous reasons to believe S.M. suffers from some form of mental illness or a personality disorder. Because many of her actions (the many name changes, the isolating acts, her apparent hatred of many forms of social interaction) point that direction.

    I agree with you that ANGER could have easily have been for Joseph. And that medication does exist. She wasn't hallucinating, although the documentary gave viewers that impression. But it's a homeopathic "remedy" (crackpot IMHO) that probably wouldn't have helped one iota with the mental stress of Joseph's panic attacks (sorry you suffer them too--been there, done that) or Summer's own problems. As another recent commenter noted, just look at the video where they're driving to the new home. You can see ample evidence that Summer is not your normal "well" individual with the irrational things she says and the way she worries aloud "I can't do this" about the move. Things are clearly not well. Something is about to explode. You can just tell it's a powderkeg by that video clip.

    As to your citing the posting by MM of the defensive statement by S.M.'s sister. MM also posts things like statements that he will entertain "any reasonable offer" of cash to produce segments on the disappearance of the McStays. Then he doesn't reply to comments on there for months at a time, some of them even seeming to indicate possible leads.

    Did you see the way the reward stayed so ridiculously low even as this started becoming a cash cow, with all the donations from Americans and all the high profile shows on major networks?

    CONTINUED BELOW...

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  76. I believe that all four family members are alive and I believe they willfully disappeared. If these people are eventually found alive, as I think will happen, I believe there is going to be a great deal of anger that so much time, resources and money were exhausted in searching for a family that willfully disappeared and did so with a shitload of money. Because so many people go missing every day in America and nobody looks for them, because there was no national television show produced by a popular network about their disappearance.

    I really think DISAPPEARED should revise their presentation of the McStay family documentary when they rerun the show, in light of all the new info uncovered in the Ling documentary. Not to do so seems unethical to me. This is NOT your normal American middle class family the way the show portrays. Not that I'm saying they're freaks or something. They're much more countercultural and very upwardly mobile, if less interested in socialization than your typical Americans.

    And then they hit a serious wall with the economy, with the lawsuit brought against them and Patrick McStay (on hold now since they vanished, what a coincidence huh?) and the bankruptcy.

    These are the sort of smart cookies who never really lived conventionally socially, and have been (both!) partnered in at least one business that resulted in civil court action against it.

    They can stay in the new house and keep throwing good money after bad (which is actually the moral thing to do) and lose the standard of living and the freedom to which they'd been accustomed, possibly lose things like the land they own in South America (what a typical middle American family!) or they can take the money and run.

    They took the money and ran.

    Whether M.M. actually knows they are alive and willfully disappeared seems uncertain to me. I suppose that's improbable. I guess I believe he doesn't really know the truth. I think either there was bad blood they are not revealing, or my mental health theory (nix on schizophrenia, but a big yes on borderline personality disorder) explains why the missing McStays haven't contacted anyone. Plus, they want to stay missing and that's not the way to do it.

    I saw the link you're talking about. Maybe she asked him to post that there. It's not like he would refuse in that case. I'm sorry if I or anyone else has injured the feelings of any members of either family but M.M. has done a number of things (and failed to do a number of things, like the situation with the reward) that people will almost certainly look at him askance. And the same way Summer's family largely just vanished from the media. That's fine and dandy and how you choose to approach the problem, but don't be surprised when people think you seem to know something or else not give a damn when the other side of the family is making comments and searching publicly and you seem to virtually ignore the media the way Summer's mother did, for example. That makes people wonder what she either knows or suspects about her daughter's disappearance.

    As soon as I saw the Ling documentary I was convinced that all four of these people are alive and willfully disappeared. I see nothing that indicates a likelihood of murder and I believe the crossing videotape actually portrays the McStays in stage one of a planned disappearance. They would have never abandoned their vehicle stateside within walking distance of the border and taken those kids into Mexico at night on foot like that unless they had made preparations and were taking a major step away from everything.

    And carjackers or any other types of theorized criminal attacks would have almost certainly left evidence and prints in the vehicle and none was found indicative of any struggle or foreign parties present.

    CONTINUED...SEE BELOW...

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  77. The Merida sighting was probably a true one but I'm not sure about that.

    The thing M.M. said in the Ling documentary about the coincidence of the unusual middle name appearing in the guest book of the other (seemingly discredited) statement in the other Mexican town is still a mote to trouble the mind's eye too.

    I get angry at myself for having negative thoughts about M.M.'s media conduct. Possibly, I am judging him in a false manner. I guess a media circus can overtake one's life in a situation like that and it's not like he's out there telling things later uncovered to be lies or anything. But the cynicism he received at the hands of Geraldo early on in the case (which was largely atypical of media reaction, which was more a coddling) was something which I predict will start growing in this case in light of the new revelations in the Ling documentary.

    I think the feds probably know exactly where the McStays are but don't have any reason to extradite them and so the children are listed as "involuntary missing" on the DOJ website but the adults are not.

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